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To: Rurudyne

“... but how many besides them will discover too late that they’ve compromised and gone along to get along their way into reprobate hearts?”

And yet, there is always repentance and restoration for those who want it.


36 posted on 02/25/2017 12:02:24 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: CitizenUSA

The thing about that is “wanting it”.

Consider for a moment that there is sin that people do, sin that people have been misled to believe is okay, sin that people now believe is both right and good, and finally sin that is somehow seen as a vital component of how someone views their identity, or who they fundamentally are.

Each step up the chain ratchets up what must be surrendered to repent.

A sin that is just something someone does, which is casual and incidental, even though realized to be less than optimal if not realized to be actual sin is no great bar to salvation.

Willful sin is at its base a matter of actually knowing about The Lord, knowing that He is Holy (Holy, Holy) and His judgments are utterly correct, and departing from them. This is a very dangerous place to be because it is only from here that, per Romans 1, people are turned over to reprobate minds. But between boldly highhanded sinning and just sinning there is a gulf that requires human volition to cross.

Now when someone has come to the point that they’ve been decieved and view something sinful as okay, tolerable, they may have started out sinning highhandedly, but it is just as likely that their society, the people they actually live with, has it wrong.

This is, I’m convinced, where Isaiah found himself when in the presence of undimmed Holiness he lamented that he was a man of unclean lips among a people of unclean lips. Here too I might point to what Lewis wrote when spoke of being introduced to a better (human) society than what he’d known and uncomfortably discovering his ways weren’t all that great. It may be truly said that no “society”, no companions, are better than The Lord, so where Lewis felt discomfort Isaiah emotes heart wrenching despair, a cry of defeat ... IOW profound repentance.

Here we can see that it becomes harder to repent of your society because it means stepping out, being different, and even giving up things you’ve never considered bad.

We might consider “tolerance” as in “positive tolerance” (as opposed to just tolerating something on the mistaken belief it it harm no one) to be one of the mechanisms / stepping stones our society proffers to get folks to the next level where you are decieved to believe sin is right and good.

Here faulty morality, deviant morality, actively gets in the way of salvation for to repent requires rejecting, or at least starting to reject, something they think is good.

We might here think on a person who is not a homosexual but who confesses homosexuality to be both natural and normal and who calls those who don’t “homophobes” or “deplorables”.

If such a person has never really known much about God or His only offered salvation they aren’t at the same risks as someone who has. A person who finds himself with these sorts of attitudes still constitute part of those who’ve got reprobate minds (and it doesn’t stop with supporting homosexuality just as it didn’t start with it).

Finally there is a relatively rare state where the sin is now confused with whole sense of identity itself. A person does not just “do” X or Y, they “are” X or Y. Homosexuality and now genderism are examples of these we can see in the lives of people. To ask them to repent is to demand that they give up who they think they fundamentally are ... and this is obviously very hard for them.

Consider that in Christ “Christian” is the ultimate identity of a still mortal saint. The Holy Spirit is present and He just simply will not share so ultimately everything contrary to Him must go. While we are still mortals this stuff on eviction notice is what Paul called a body of death. It will be removed but for now it would very much like us to obey it rather than the Holy Spirit.

But if someone confesses that their underlying nature is “homosexual” they have a stronghold set up for the enemy of their soul’s right where it does the most damage: their very sense of self.

As it often seems that homosexuality (etc) is the sin that is more likely to get wrapped up on a sense of identity, one might point to how utterly lucid and sober Romans 1 is in calling out this one sin, and those who support it in the culture, as a proverbial canary in a coal mine for when people are proceeding from being merely bad to irredeemably bad.

Yes, God can squeeze proverbial camels through needles.

... but the camel has got to be albe give up, and indeed give up, the delusion it’s a chipmunk at some point.


51 posted on 02/25/2017 8:08:31 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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