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To: mrobisr
When you die where do you go if you are saved?
To be with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8

So when you die and are saved you go directly to Heaven.

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I don't know that Corinthians says you go directly to Heaven. I have always been inclined to believe that there will be a judgement day before we join God in Heaven.

The Scriptures don't make it abundantly clear exactly when these things happen. Saying that when we die we go to God's rest or to be with The Lord doesn't mean that there aren't stops along the way or how long it takes.

You may be right, perhaps it is immediate but I don't there there is enough scriptural proof of that.

I was asked earlier if Christ was God. this is a difficult thing to understand. Although the Nicean Creed certainly makes a stab at it I don't think it is as easy as that. Christ Himself said He prayed to His Father, so in that sense they are not the same but they are both God. When He saw Mary on Easter morning He said He had not yet ascended unto His Father. I doubt that He would talk about ascending to Himself.

When Stephen was being stoned he looked up into Heaven and said he saw Christ Standing at the right hand of His Father.

It is not my intention to start a discussion, certainly not an argument about The Trinity. We probably don't all understand it the same way is all I was saying. I'm not sure how much it matters that I may not have a perfect understanding of the relationship of Christ to God His Father, but I know it is important that I accept Christ as my Savior and to follow Him and do my best to be like Him.

You may recall that when the first Nicean Creed in 325 was written that those who would not accept it were to be banished from the church. So many Bishops departed that Constantine relented and let them come back and hold their positions. It wasn't until 385 when the Creed was made 100% mandatory. After that you may have been burned at the stake or certainly banished if you didn't accept it. Anything short of that was then considered heresy. If the early Church leaders couldn't understand or even accept the Creed's version of The Trinity then I'm not worried about me not getting it exactly right, there are many things much more important.

As I said what is important is to follow Him. I think that if you don't “try” to be like Him that it is unlikely that His grace will be sufficient for you. If you learn late about Christ and accept Him late, the reward is the same as if you worked to emulate Him all your life, but, if you knew about Him and did not follow Him I don't think it will be well with you on judgment day.

66 posted on 02/20/2017 7:04:37 PM PST by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

Are you a Mormon?


67 posted on 02/20/2017 7:15:35 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: JAKraig

Have you read, “To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord” ... is there a step in between? None I’ve found in Scripture.


68 posted on 02/20/2017 8:13:44 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: JAKraig

“I don’t know that Corinthians says you go directly to Heaven. I have always been inclined to believe that there will be a judgement day before we join God in Heaven.”

Well first I must ask you what are you being judged for? IAW Scripture if you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ you have already been forgiven and justified and YOUR sins are forgotten and completely cast away.

Romans 4:25
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 5:11
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Hebrews 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:17
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah 53:11
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Micah 7:19
He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.

Justification
Justification is the declaring of a person to be just or righteous. It is a legal term signifying acquittal,

Will you be judged for rewards... YES, but not for sin as you have NONE. Our great Savior Jesus took EACH and EVERY single sin to the Cross where they were nailed once and for all.

As for as going directly to Heaven upon death I say yes, but if the Scripture doesn’t say that to you I’m sorry.

Colossians 3:1
Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Romans 6:5
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Philippians 1:23
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Colossians 3:1
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Quit beating yourself up and accept the grace given to you by our Father through Jesus Christ. If you have placed your faith in Christ YOU are forgiven. The thought that you are not is the Devil trying to tell you that you’re not good enough and he’s right you’re not, but Jesus was, is, and will be forever more.


204 posted on 03/04/2017 8:07:34 PM PST by mrobisr ( so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow)
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