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Clarifications on the Biblical Flood Narrative
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 02-14-17 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 02/15/2017 9:40:23 AM PST by Salvation

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1 posted on 02/15/2017 9:40:23 AM PST by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 02/15/2017 9:41:39 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

“While we are not required as Catholics to interpret every detail of the flood story literally, there does seem to be some evidence (preserved in many ancient cultures) of a flood or “mega event” that drastically reduced the size of the human race. In addition, genetic, geological, and anthropological information point to a period some 70,000 years ago during which humans almost vanished from the planet [*].”

He refers to a volcanic eruption as a flood ..


3 posted on 02/15/2017 9:49:26 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Bing Stan Deyo and Flood. It will give you rational explanation of the Great Flood. Short version: The Arabian Peninsula was an island. Big asteroid/comet hits Indian Ocean and opens the fountains of the deep.


4 posted on 02/15/2017 9:59:37 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: Salvation
While we are not required as Catholics to interpret every detail of the flood story literally, there does seem to be some evidence (preserved in many ancient cultures) of a flood or “mega event” that drastically reduced the size of the human race. In addition, genetic, geological, and anthropological information point to a period some 70,000 years ago during which humans almost vanished from the planet [*].

The catholic has serious problems in believing Genesis as actual events.

Yet Christ did not. "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah." Matt 24:37

Peter seemed to understand it as an actual event.

5if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight; 2 Peter 2:5

Perhaps if the catholic trusted the Word they would be able to trust Christ at His Word.

5 posted on 02/15/2017 10:00:18 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

They’re not denying it was an event, they’re saying that there are historical indications that mankind was nearly wiped out. And that would correspond very closely to the Biblical narrative: only 8 were saved.


6 posted on 02/15/2017 10:16:49 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Trump won; I celebrated; I'm good. Let's get on with the civil war now.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Let’s see... ark of Noah, saving mankind, comes to rest on the 17th day of the month of Nisan.

Joshua (ie, the name ‘Jesus’) leads Israel into the promised land on the 17th day of the month of Nisan.

Later, another Jesus rises from the dead, on the 17th day of the month of Nisan, saving mankind.

It all fits. (And there’s lot’s more.)


7 posted on 02/15/2017 10:30:00 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Salvation

Given striking parallels in the accounts it seems a better idea to connect the Genesis flood with the flood described in the Sumerian/Akkadian records and epics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_King_List#First_Dynasty_of_Kish

The desire to push it back to a time when it can plausibly cover the whole human race is completely understandable, but I just don’t think all told a prehistoric flood matches Genesis’s very clear setting in Neolithic Mesopotamia (farming, metals, herding, cities). Plus recent statistical modeling places the most recent common ancestor of all living humans as early as 3000 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_recent_common_ancestor#TMRCA_of_all_living_humans


8 posted on 02/15/2017 10:44:01 AM PST by Claud
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To: ealgeone

Got to understand that this is from a Catholic/Christian perspective or understanding of the first 11 chapters of Genesis.


9 posted on 02/15/2017 10:49:50 AM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: MHGinTN

FYI


10 posted on 02/15/2017 11:16:08 AM PST by Mark17 (20 Years USAF ATCer, Retired. 25 years CDCR C/O, Retired)
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To: Salvation

Christians are accepting too many premises set by the world (the Bible is a fairy tale!!!) and not doing enough research on their own to get to the truth. I see this in a lot of my studies. A shocking number of Bible commentaries shy away from the historical evidence, I guess due to fear of approaching the subject created by godless archaeologists.

The flood is just one example. Many secular Egyptologists are adamant that the Exodus was a myth with no archaeological evidence to back it up, and as a result, I see many Christians and Jews shy away from the subject, as if ashamed of their own Bible. But read David Rohl’s book, “Exodus: Myth or History?” It’s astonishing!


11 posted on 02/15/2017 11:22:40 AM PST by pcottraux ( depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: backwoods-engineer

They’re hedging their bets. The Flood either happened as recorded in Genesis and latter affirmed in the NT or it didn’t.


12 posted on 02/15/2017 11:22:56 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Biggirl

Trust me...I do understand its from the Roman Catholic perspective. If you can’t believe the first 11 chapters of Genesis, how can you believe the rest?


13 posted on 02/15/2017 11:47:37 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: pcottraux

You may see Roman Catholics ashamed of their Bibles....not Evangelicals.


14 posted on 02/15/2017 11:49:49 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Salvation; Mark17
"The worst thing is not dying (which we all will do); it is refusing God’s merciful love though an impenitent heart."

The author might have meant to type 'through' instead of though an impenitent heart.

The author might do well to reread what Paul wrote about the coming Rapture of BELIEVERS. [1Thess$:13-18; 1Cor 15:512-53]

Thanks for the ping, Mark17, I would have missed this one.

15 posted on 02/15/2017 12:47:28 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Salvation

Well, this is unfortunate. Looks like that is the last time I read from that website.


16 posted on 02/15/2017 1:41:05 PM PST by VaeVictis (~Woe to the Conquered~)
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To: MHGinTN

Genetic manipulation???


17 posted on 02/15/2017 1:59:58 PM PST by Mark17 (20 Years USAF ATCer, Retired. 25 years CDCR C/O, Retired)
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To: ealgeone; Salvation
I think you may want to reconsider what is Msgr. Pope's purpose for writing this, his intent. It is not to cast skepticism upon the Noah account, but precisely the opposite, to say, "Hey, some kind of extinction-event actually occurred, and here's some scientific basis."

Pope says it's worth looking into.

I just read recently that, due to a renewed analysis of the Russian Kola Superdeep Bore Hole and other data, it's now thought that there's at least 3x MORE water under the surface of the earth, than there is in all of earth's oceans. If God caused some huge tectonic event to release all this water ("unsealing the fountains of the deep") --- whammo, there's planetary inundation right there.

Worth looking into.

18 posted on 02/15/2017 2:03:33 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the Truth." - 1 Timothy 3:15)
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I already have. For my OT seminary class I wrote a paper on Evidence for The Genesis Flood. Found scientific research on the water below the earth and how it could get up here. If it did it would cover the highest mountains per my research. BTW...the articles with this were not Christian. They were secular. It was a fun paper. Made a 95.


19 posted on 02/15/2017 2:07:03 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Salvation

It was really 39 days 14 hours and 12 minutes, not 40 days.


20 posted on 02/15/2017 3:24:04 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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