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To: DouglasKC; metmom
But that doesn't make the trinity doctrine scriptural and nobody in bible times knew it or believed it.

Except you have been shown multiple times now that assertion is NOT true. If "nobody in bible times knew it or believed it" then WHY are there many, many verses in Scripture that say the Holy Spirit DOES exist and we have writings from early Christians that affirm the same prior to the Council of Nicea? And we don't have a lot more writings that might have been written simply because the material they may have written on deteriorated after all this time.

Also some of those passages have little to do with the trinity theory but only mention a holy spirit in the same breath as the father and son. That really proves nothing *unless* we already have a presupposition that the Godhead is composed of three beings...which again scripture shows it is not.

Except those passages speak about the Holy Spirit as a person (HE) apart from the Father and the Son, as proceeding FROM the Father and the Son, that does things and that things can be done TO Him. You ought to acknowledge that you have your OWN presuppositions prejudiced against the Holy Spirit as God - probably taught to you by some denomination - and you made up your mind regardless of what has been shown to you from Scripture that disproves it.

I respect your right believe what you want on this and I would never force anyone to accept my word on a topic. I hope that you try to look at this objectively and pour through Scripture seeking God's insight (the Holy Spirit, Scripture says, will lead us into ALL truth). God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

This site is a good start https://carm.org/trinity

107 posted on 02/10/2017 7:14:15 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
Except you have been shown multiple times now that assertion is NOT true. If "nobody in bible times knew it or believed it" then WHY are there many, many verses in Scripture that say the Holy Spirit DOES exist

Well again I'm NOT arguing that there's no such thing as a holy spirit. Of course there is.

Except those passages speak about the Holy Spirit as a person (HE) apart from the Father and the Son, as proceeding FROM the Father and the Son, that does things and that things can be done TO Him.

"He" in English. Study the greek term for "spirit".

You ought to acknowledge that you have your OWN presuppositions prejudiced against the Holy Spirit as God

I have no prejudice against the holy spirit at all. I reject a doctrine that took 300 plus years to formulate and instead believe what Jesus, Peter and Paul believed. They did NOT believe in a trinity. This is obvious. If they believed this it would be contained in their teachings. Yet it's not. The only thing that is affirmed is that the Godhead is father and son. What is your interpretation of John 1:1-2? Where is the holy spirit in that clear picture of the Godhead? And where is the holy spirit in the glimpes of God's throne in Revelation? Where is the throne for the holy spirit?

I respect your right believe what you want on this and I would never force anyone to accept my word on a topic. I hope that you try to look at this objectively and pour through Scripture seeking God's insight (the Holy Spirit, Scripture says, will lead us into ALL truth). God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

I would ask you to do the same. I've seen, weighed and evaluated both views and chose the scriptures over tradition. That's not meant as an insult but the trinity is clearly tradition based. Again nobody in the bible EVER taught the trinity. It evolved through tradition. The tradition is believed and then scripture is used to justify tradition. Throw out the tradition and what we're left with is what Jesus and the apostles believed.

108 posted on 02/10/2017 7:37:46 PM PST by DouglasKC
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