Posted on 02/02/2017 5:24:02 PM PST by markomalley
She has 180,000 followers on Twitter, became a daytime TV star with a cooking show sharing traditional convent recipes and waded into local politics speaking out in support of Catalan independence.
But the latest public declarations from the 51-year-old Dominican nun have provoked a stern telling off by the Catholic Church.
Her unlikely appearance on a chat show at the weekend to talk about sex led to her revealing that she didn’t really believe in one of the tenets of the Roman Catholic faith – that Mary, mother of Jesus, was a virgin.
"I think that Mary was in love with Joseph and that they were a normal couple, and the normal thing is to have sex,” the nun who was born in Argentina before moving to a Catalan convent 26 years ago told Risto Mejideon on the Cuatro show Chester in Love.
"It’s hard to believe and to take in,” she added. "We’ve stuck with rules that we have invented without reaching the true message.”
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All we can know for sure was that Mary was a virgin when she conceived Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit. After Jesus’ birth, there’s nothing shameful, outrageous or wrong about Mary and Joseph having a normal husband and wife sexual relationship. Scripture even tells us Jesus had brothers and sisters. If this is what the nun is talking about, I agree with her.
The brothers and sisters referred to were cousins and other kinsmen.
Does your minister ever start a sermon with “Dear Brothers and Sisters”?
Is everyone, then, the minister’s biological brother and sister?
Thats complicated....
If you are talking about the prophecy from Isaiah 7:14 that "the Lord himself will give you a sign, a virgin will conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel.", then I'd have to ask you what kind of "sign" would it be that a young woman would conceive a child? The word used meant virgin and the context proves it. That IS the miracle.
No woman was involved? How about the Holy Spirit being involved?
Because she knew where babies came from and she knew that she had not yet consummated her marriage. So it was a perfectly reasonable question.
Instead, Mary indicates that she is a person who will never “know” her husband, since she asks how she can have a baby.
Total nonsense. that is reading far more into the text than a basic reading of it warrants.
She never asked *How can this be since I am never going to know a man?*
And after Jesus was born, there was no longer any reason for Mary to remain a virgin.
She was free to have sex with Joseph, and not defraud him, as any normal wife would.
How would I react if someone told me I would win the lottery? I’d say, How can that be true, since I don’t play the lottery?
But that in no way indicates your future intent.
All it does is state a present fact, just like Mary's about not having had sex yet.
Scripture is clear that Mary and Joseph had normal marital relations after the birth of Jesus and it in no way diminishes what she did and the risk she took, and having sex in no way denigrates her as a person.
Sex is not sinful or dirty or evil or unworthy of spiritual or holy people.
A person can be a very spiritual person and still have and even *gasp* enjoy sex.
Perpetual virginity
Is the Perpetual Virginity of Mary a Biblical View?
Aeiparthenos (An Anglo-Catholic Priest on Mary's Perpetual Virginity)
The Early Church Fathers on Mary’s Perpetual Virginity - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Heõs Hou polemic is over: Radio Debate Matatics VS White & Svendsen on Perpetual Virginity Mary
Luther, Calvin, and Other Early Protestants on the Perpetual Virginity of Mary
Luther, Calvin, and Other Early Protestants on the Perpetual Virginity of Mary
That's correct. She didn't "know" Joseph, until after Jesus was born.
24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. (Matthew 1:24,25)
“”I think that Mary was in love with Joseph and that they were a normal couple...”
No duh.
Of course they were normal people. That was the whole idea of God being made flesh, being human as you or me or anyone.
How did Jesus get his brothers and sisters!
Why do people believe such weird things?
“No woman was involved? How about the Holy Spirit being involved?”
1. I said “no man”.
2. The holy Spirit is not a woman.
3. The Holy Spirit is not a man.
Best.
Sexual relations between a married couple are certainly not sinful. Indeed they are the diametric opposite.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and the claim that Mary didn't have sex with Joseph, I find to be extraordinary, even outlandish...
But Mary is a woman. Duh!
Dear Salvation,
Im really unsure as to your point.
I simply stated no *man* was involved in the miraculous conception of Christ.
Do you agree?
What else are you trying to say here?
Best.
I am referring to the language of that time.
“Man” included woman also in their language.
Indeed, the scripture you cited strongly implies that the couple had a normal husband-wife relationship, and it further obviates the need to insist that Jesus' "brothers and sisters" had to have been cousins.
The whole debate is just silly to me, a mere Protestant who takes the Bible as written. There's absolutely no need for Mary to have been a perpetual virgin, and, indeed, such dogma diminishes both Mary and the institution of marriage, to my mind...
I want to know - was Joseph a virgin?
Why is it so important to know if Mary was a virgin?
You’re a cut-up.
A riot!
Because the prophecy of Jesus’s arrival as God with us states a VIRGIN shall conceive. Have you read the Bible? It is just full of amazing supernatural things!
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