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To: Elsie; MHGinTN
1) The upshot of what I asserted in #1569 is that true church-age believers will not be judged st the GWT. Thus my question to you was:

imardmd1: Did you think otherwise?

To which here in #1574 your reply is:

Elsie: It's not what reading the Book reveals to me.

For the question I asked, the definitive answer is simply:

(a) "Yes" ; or
(b)"No."

The answer you gave is evasive and irresponsive, and I don't feel like playing cat and mouse. So please, would you just say "Yes" or "No" and leave it at that?

(2) From MHG's #1565 one would correctly infer that he implies that spiritually reborn followers of Christ will not be judged at the GWT event. From your responses to that, I assumed that you might like to prove otherwise; but IN FACT, since none of the Scriptures you cited contradict MHG's assertion, that is why I asked:

imardmd1: Why the "Hmmm" for MHG's assertion?

Instead of replying with Scripture that does irrefutably contradict MHG's thesis, you've tried to put the onus on me to amplify MHG's contention, by insisting in #1567:

Elsie: If you have any verses that seem to indicate otherwise; let's look at them.

Otherwise than . . .? I don't know for sure what your position is, so I'm not going to accept that challenge just yet. And why? Let me take a guess, surmising that the backstory is that someone from a Wesleyan background and subscribing to it has the doctrinal positions that:

(a) Like the RCC, salvation through "belief" in Jesus is not a "done" thing; you can lose your salvation.
(b) That the way God has dealt with mankind through dispensational theology is incorrect.
(c) There is no such thing as a premillennial snatching-away of Jesus' church before a period of tribulation never seen before on earth.
(d) That Jesus' judgment of believers and the GWT judgment of resurrected dead ones are one and the same--that they coincide.
(e) That the GWT determines whether one goes to Heaven or Hell.
(f) Eternal life or eternal torment (if such a thing exists) begins at the GWT, not before.
(g) Death prevails upon all humans until GWT.
(h) A believer does not go to Hell, but is preserved by "soul sleep" until GWT.
(i) At GWT, every human will be resurrected and their soul/spirit fragment be rejoined to a body fragment for the judgment.
(j) Only then will one having supposed him/ferself a Christian come to know whether or not his/her name has been entered in the Book of Life.

Now, is at least part, if not all, of this your idea of truth? (asseverating only either "yes" or "no" on this will do, for the moment).

The ball is now in your court, Els. One simple, plain, conclusive one-word answer to each these two questions, OK?

Then maybe we can continue the exchange. But, let me advise you ahead of time: having been raised as a Methodist minister's son, and knowing the drift of Wesleyan theology and its outcome, no one will ever convince me to go back to it, nor to its reworked/reformed Episcopalian/Anglican/Catholic doctrinal creedal basis. That would be a great, and perhaps damning, mistake.

1,578 posted on 01/28/2017 5:59:30 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
That was evasive?

I guess my postings of ALL being judged at the GWT wasn't clear enough yes or no.

...true church-age believers will not be judged st the GWT

I disagree.

1,580 posted on 01/28/2017 8:23:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
One simple, plain, conclusive one-word answer to each these two questions, OK?

Two questions and an a thru j list of stuff.

Where to begin.

I didn't know I was going to stir up so many concepts just by not agreeing that...

'true' Christians will NOT be at the GWT.

1,581 posted on 01/28/2017 8:26:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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