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To: Belteshazzar

“We’ll try this one more time, and one only, keeping it very simple. Which assertion of the Athanasian Creed is not faithful to the Scriptures?”

How about we stick to the topic: What theological doctrine is required knowledge for salvation?

From the posted article: “Stanley also said he believes people can become Christians without knowing the narratives around Jesus’ birth.”

What is radical about that statement?

As for the Creed:

“Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Substance [Essence] of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood.”

Where does scripture say believing that “is necessary to everlasting salvation”?

“29 Then the jailer called for lights, rushed in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 Then he escorted them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the message of the Lord to him along with everyone in his house. 33 He took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds. Right away he and all his family were baptized.” - Acts 16

Just how theologically “smart” does a person need to be saved?

And why would anyone trust a formula on the nature of God developed by people who rebelled against His revealed word? If they didn’t understand and accept what is clearly taught, how can they be authoritative on what is NOT clearly taught?

The Virgin Birth is, at least, explicitly taught in scripture. But someone who doubts it might be the equivalent of someone who doubts the worldwide Genesis flood...which I accept, but which isn’t a true/false question that one must pass to be saved.


55 posted on 12/28/2016 9:48:50 AM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of infants, ruled by their emotion)
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To: Mr Rogers

Sorry, Mr Rogers, I see no point in continuing this. You ask me, “what theological doctrine is required knowledge for salvation?” That is not the point. The Judge of what constitutes true faith is God, because He is the one who give it. (John 6:44; Ephesians 2:4-10) So, that is a matter God reserves strictly to Himself.

That said, there is the question of what is true about God and man? God’s word speaks to just such things. One cannot deny something clearly taught in the Scriptures without danger. That should be obvious from Jesus’ discussions with the Pharisee, Sadducees, Herodians, and other individuals. So, there is such a thing as truth regarding God and man. That truth can be confessed by one who believes. That is what gave the early church courage to formulate the Apostles Creed, not in an attempt to replace the Word of God, which is not possible, but to confess it. (Romans 10:8-11)


60 posted on 12/28/2016 10:14:44 AM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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