Posted on 12/13/2016 4:38:29 PM PST by Morgana
The Jewish Federation of Cleveland is urging the local Jewish community to contact Ohio Gov. John Kasich and urge him to veto a bill that would ban almost all abortions after an unborn baby’s heart begins to beat, the Cleveland Jewish News reports.
The Ohio state legislature recently gave final approve to legislation that would ban all abortions after an unborn baby’s heart begins to beat. The Ohio House and Senate also approved the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act (S.B. 127), landmark legislation which poses a historic challenge to Roe v. Wade. The bills now head to the desk of Governor John Kasich who has signed 17 Ohio Right to Life-supported measures since 2011.
The unborn pain legislation would prohibit abortions at the time in pregnancy that a child can feel pain, or 20 weeks gestation, challenging the 24-week “viability” limitation set in Roe. Since 2010, 15 states have passed similar legislation, and pro-life leaders in Congress have attempted to pass a federal version.
In Ohio, 478 abortions occurred after 19 weeks gestation in 2015 alone. The legislation is sponsored by Senators Peggy Lehner (R-Kettering) and Jay Hottinger (R-Newark).
Several Jewish groups in Ohio came out in opposition of the heartbeat bill this week.
“This bill imposes excessive restrictions that would strictly limit a woman’s right to obtain an abortion, even under circumstances resulting from mental health, and improperly ignores religious concerns. It takes medical decisions out of the hands of doctors by criminalizing those medical practitioners who perform procedures outside the narrow prescriptions of the bill,” the Jewish Federation of Cleveland said in a statement.
The group said they believe the bill infringes on “religious rights.”
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The concerns of some Jewish groups seems to be protecting religious and individual liberties, as well as women’s health, citing that some women may not know they are pregnant until after six weeks, which is when the Heartbeat bill would ban abortions.
Despite the Sixth Commandment in the Torah forbidding murder, and sensitivity Jews have toward the mass murder of their people and children in the Holocaust, 49 percent of American Jews support abortion in all cases, and 44 percent support abortion in most cases, according to the Public Religion Research Institution’s 2012 report. Furthermore, of the 93 percent of American Jews open to abortion in some circumstances, 95 percent of Jewish Democrats and 77 percent of Jewish Republicans support abortion in nearly all circumstances, according to the poll.
A Gallup poll suggests that Jewish views on abortion do not differ significantly from those with no religious affiliations. There are those in Jewish culture who jokingly state that life doesn’t start until graduation from medical or law school.
Yet there are pro-life Jewish groups that hold to traditional scriptural teachings about the value of the unborn.
“We believe that it is imperative to value all innocent human life-born and unborn-abled and disabled-perfect or imperfect – and that justifying abortion for Down’s Syndrome, Tay Sach’s, or other genetic abnormalities not only damages the birth parents but also eventually leads to justifying gross, legalized civil rights abuses against ‘undesirable’ minorities. We believe that elective abortion on demand contradicts the very essence of Judaism. We believe that abortion is dangerous and harmful to women, to Judaism, and to the Jewish community,” the Jewish Pro-Life Foundation states.
“The unborn child at 6 weeks has a beating heart and is therefore alive,” Cecily Routman, founder of the Jewish Pro-Life Foundation stated in an email. “It is a clear benchmark, and makes unnecessary the more scientific explanations of proof of life before that milestone is reached.”
The most important thing in the Jewish religion IS life. For example, we must pray for a healing for a terminally ill person, even if perhaps death would be mercifully better for him.
Orthodox rabbis will counsel women with unwanted pregnancies to keep the baby. Though there is a terrible rule in the Talmud that babies aren’t alive until they take their first breath, actual scholars and rabbis today fully understand that babies are alive inside the womb.
The Jewish Federation is mostly liberal Jews. It is as if secular people were maybe not going to be able to get abortions. This is not real Judaism, to fight for killing unborn babies.
Abortion — human sacrifice of innocents.
In the United States, being Jewish has an ethnic meaning, not a religious one, since American Jews are mostly atheists.
I don’t agree with this at all. Most Jews are pro-life; if you aren’t, then you’re probably not a Jew and just calling yourself that for cultural points.
The OU is busy running their profitable kosher seal racket.
I doubt that any of the Jews connected with The Jewish Federation of Cleveland are anything other than secularists and JINOs.
“The OU is busy running their profitable kosher seal racket.”
Hey, if you like eating your meat drenched in piss, go for it. Jews live under a different ruleset.
Yeah... the exacting standards (for sanitary and ethical cleanliness) of the OU are well known!
Remember Agriprocessors and Doheny? Hope you didn’t eat their meats.
Also I’d question the ethics of an organization like the OU that is plagued by child sexual abuse scandals. In case you missed it: the OU admitted to ignorning for decades the child molester Rabbi Lanner, while “kashrut expert” Rabbi Belsky defended child abuse in another case.
No thanks! I have higher moral standards.
Too bad the OU mafia has by now cornered almost a third of the US food market.
Using your logic, everyone who worked for Subway is a pedophile.
The OU isn’t a “mafia.” Unlike the FDA, they’re invited in for kashrut certification and it’s completely voluntary on the company’s part.
You suggested that all non-OU approved meat “is drenched in piss”. That’s not generalistic polemics?
I didn’t suggest that all working for OU are pedophiles, but questioned the ethics of the organization, whose leadership covered child abuse.
My approach is nothing but reasonable... especially for an organization that is purported to have “superior standards”.
Yeah completely voluntary... just like money paid to the mafia for it’s protection services./sarc
I have no idea how an avowed anti-Semite like yourself is allowed to post here. But at least you're honest and upfront about it.
You can't be too bright though. You think that chrstian Zionism began in the 60s. Most of your kind spend a lot of time screaming about John Nelson Darby and C.I. Scofield. You apparently haven't heard of either of them.
But then, I'm not sure you've ever heard of G-d either.
” I thought I tore you a new one. “
Haha! Only in your mind.
A rather revealing choice of words... my lower body orifice fascinates you that much? What pure thoughts you have!
Of course it is “antisemitism” when criminal, immoral or questionable activities of Jewish organizations are criticized. Scream “racism” and “prejudice” - just like the leftists do.
I never claimed that Christian Zionism was invented in the 1960’s. It is of course much older... but unconditional, mindless adulation of anything “Jewish” or “Zionist” (as is commonplace nowadays among many Evangelical Christians) was a gradual development.
If you look at the discourse of the Christian Right in the first half of the 20th century, you’d scream “antisemtism”.
Also pre-1962 Roman Catholicism had a rather different view of Judaism and Jews than post-1962.
But I don’t expect you to have any knowledge of history.
Ignorant lackeys like you are always needed.
” I thought I tore you a new one. “
Haha! Only in your mind.
I don't think so. I schooled you on Armenians, Greeks, and your Turkophilic, anti-Greek, anti-Armenian (and anti-Israel) comrades in the John Birch Society. Admit it; you didn't know I'd ever set foot in an Armenian church, did you? I've been in an Armenian church probably more times than you ever have.
Of course it is “antisemitism” when criminal, immoral or questionable activities of Jewish organizations are criticized. Scream “racism” and “prejudice” - just like the leftists do.
You mean just like they oppose Israel and supported Yasser Arafat? Those leftists? Or perhaps you mean "leftists" like Jerry Falwell and Hal Lindsay? And by "criminal" activities by Jewish organizations you mean the Orthodox Union?
I never claimed that Christian Zionism was invented in the 1960’s.
Coulda fooled me. You didn't seem to know a thing about it until I schooled you.
It is of course much older... but unconditional, mindless adulation of anything “Jewish” or “Zionist” (as is commonplace nowadays among many Evangelical Christians) was a gradual development.
Had you rather they had a "unconditional mindless adulation" of Rhodesia or South Africa? Sorry pal . . . the Bible isn't set in those countries. Maybe you should read it some time.
If you look at the discourse of the Christian Right in the first half of the 20th century, you’d scream “antisemtism”.
First of all, I don't give a fig about the "chrstian right of the first half of the 20th century." Why would you think I did? Second, as I pointed out to you in my demolition of your original arguments, traditional American Protestant Fundamentalism has always had a strong philo-Semitic, restorationist element.
Also pre-1962 Roman Catholicism had a rather different view of Judaism and Jews than post-1962.
[sarcasm]Oh wow. I did not know that! Duh![/sarcasm]
But I don’t expect you to have any knowledge of history. Ignorant lackeys like you are always needed.
You're pathetic. You insist on not even responding to the only thing that matters: what G-d wants. You call yourself a "conservative" but think that religion is beneath you. You're nothing but another H.L. Mencken, an "old right" Jew-hater who called Southern Fundamentalists "gaping primates who believe degraded nonsense." Why don't you deal with that, eh? Why do you dismiss the only thing that matters? Have no argument? Nothing to say?
Have you ever even considered, as a theoretical possibility, that HaShem may actually be the True G-d and the Holy Torah may actually be true? But I suppose that's a small thing when compared to preserving "western civilization." Why don't you just say that without its adoption and adaptation by "western civilization" the Bible is just an "alien" Semitic tract? Eh? Admit it; that's what you think.
And you have the nerve to call me ignorant when I've been in the Birch Society, the Catholic Church, in Armenian and Orthodox churches, and been fighting people like you for almost forty solid years? You're probably just a young squirt who hasn't been anywhere gets all his "information" from the Internet!
One final thing: according to the official rules of this forum, anti-Semitism is not permitted here. True, hasn't permitted the presence of people like yourself here (and when I first signed up they were all over the place). But it's still in the rules. So I'm calling you out.
Watch out. I just might fluoridate your drinking water!
Are you losing it?
My comments were always pro-Armenian and anti-Turkish.
You spewed hate against Armenians and defended Turks and their Jewish apologists.
You live in a parallel world and are simply crazy. 99% of what you just wrote has nothing to do with anything I wrote.
Rhodesia? Birch? What is wrong with you?
Also I don’t see why you have to drag people into the discussion that are not involved.
My comments were always pro-Armenian and anti-Turkish.
Wow. Are you fifteen years old? I pointed out that the Birch Society was traditionally anti-Greek, anti-Armenian, and pro-Turkish. In my very long post on that other thread I gave quite a history of the Birch Society's attitudes (because I was a member and read those articles). I didn't say you personally were anti-Armenian or pro-Turkish. I said your comrades in the Birch Society are. You know you love the Birch Society because they're anti-Israel, right? You blame Jews for pro-Turkism yet ignore the fact that your Birchite heroes were every bit as pro-Turkish, anti-Greek, and anti-Armenian as anyone. You are therefore a hypocrite. Do I need to use smaller words?
You spewed hate against Armenians
By simply pointing out the traditional radical pro-Soviet orientation of many Armenians and their organizations? The pro-Soviet statement of their former Catholicos-Patriarch Vazken? Their Communist terrorist organizations (like ASALA)? The domistic leftism of the Armenian-American community? Simply pointing out these facts is "spewing out hate?" Wow. And you think Jews are paranoid!
and defended Turks and their Jewish apologists.
I don't recall particularly "defending" the Turks so much as pointing out that the pro-Turkish, anti-Greek, anti-Armenian position is the traditional American conservative position even among "palaeos." Neither I nor the Jews created this situation. It simply was the way things were.
You live in a parallel world and are simply crazy.
I live in the world created by the Jewish G-d. So do you. One day you'll learn that the hard way.
99% of what you just wrote has nothing to do with anything I wrote. Rhodesia? Birch? What is wrong with you?
What is wrong with me is that I know people like you. You hate Jews and Israel but supported Rhodesia and South Africa (and Nationalist China). The fact that the Communists made no distinctions among them makes no difference to you. You're simply dogmatic that "Communism is Jewish" and that's the end of it. I understand dogmatism; I'm a dogmatist myself!
Also I don’t see why you have to drag people into the discussion that are not involved.
I'll tell you why I do it. I do it to try to get the moderators to live up to their own rules and ban you from this forum. Your anti-Semitic posts are in violation of the stated rules of Free Republic. Also to let the Jewish and pro-Israel forum members know who and what you are. The more who know the better.
I've been dealing with people like you for going on forty years, but you are by far the most ignorant one I have ever encountered.
PS: When are you going to investigate the claims of the Torah?
1. If you can’t argue don’t use polemics and name calling.
2. What business do I have with the John Birch Society? None. It’s just you making a wild, outlandish claim. Total nonsequitur on your part.
2. I never mentioned Rhodesia or any of the other “causes” you claim I support.
Stop lying and making up stuff.
3. You habitually exaggerate the role of Armenians in Communism (ignoring their role as victims of Bolshevism) while totally ignoringn the dominant role of Jews in Communism throughout it’s history and the role of Jews and Sabbateans in Ottoman and Turkish history.
3. It reveals a lot about you that you would rather see me banned than engage in honest discussion.
4. Your reliance on outright lies and vulgar name-calling, while claiming to be a Christian shows that you indeed are following the father of lies.
You would be hard pressed to find any Jews pushing thins. Moreover, in so far as these hypocritical "Jewish" groups support the separation of Church and State, Jewish law is meaningless here. Jewish leftist contravention of the Law into neo-Frankist heresy in a desecration of the name of G-d, by replacing Judaism with abomination is equally irrelevant. But for these leftists, Judaism is merely leftist with a side of lox.
The word is Christian.
If I might repeat, “CHRISTIAN”.
Jesus Christ, son of God!
Got it? It’s “Christian”.
“Of course it is “antisemitism” when criminal, immoral or questionable activities of Jewish organizations are criticized. Scream “racism” and “prejudice” - just like the leftists do.”
Unfortunately, that is all too true.
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