Posted on 11/29/2016 5:46:56 PM PST by NRx
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/francis-surrogate-fires-warning-shot/
Prayers up for Holy Mother Church.
The vatican authorities have recently gone against the traditional, and clearly defined, teaching of the Church.
This contradicts the teaching of the Church that the Church will never mislead the people.
The current pope has done grave harm to the Church.
I wrote to my Bishop, to the Diocese Family Life Director, to the Diocesan DRE, and to my own pastor, sincerely asking exactly what I'm to teach about this as a member of our parish RCIA teaching team.
I accompanied this with enough documentation to summarize Dr. Joseph Shaw's 19 points, which is basically a longer version of the Four Cardinals' Five Dubia.
Result: No response from the Bishop or the Family Life Director, a short but sympathetic, serious and relevant note from the DRE, and a long heart-felt discussion with my pastor, bless him.
We would do well to take this personally to every chief catechist in our parishes and dioceses. Personally.
Every one of us should present the "Five Dubia" (or Dr. Joseph Shaw's 19 points), in some form, to our official teachers. Every one of us.
Every one of us should present the "Five Dubia" (or Dr. Joseph Shaw's 19 points--- you can google that), in some form, to our official teachers. Every one of *them* owes us a YES or a NO.
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No; a marriage can only be voided if a condition existed at the time of the wedding that prevents it from being valid. A closet homosexual, or a pregnancy before marriage, would be grounds for declaring the original marriage null and void. As I understand it, “immaturity” is a common catch-all...
That can pretty much cover anything anyone wants to justify.
Jesus gave only one reason for divorce, period. That is adultery.
On the other hand some Christians go beyond what Christ said and declare all divorce to be sin.
Exactly!
IIRC, Ted Kennedy got an annulment by maintaining that he never intended to be faithful to his initial vows...
My Grandfather was a Southern Baptist preacher. He attended Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, KY.
Granddaddy was extremely anti-Catholic. He considered the Pope a hindrance to Christianity. Daddy was about the same. When my Sister married a Naval Aviator who was Catholic, Daddy would not attend the wedding. To Daddy’s credit, he eventually began to like his Son-in-Law, particularly when he saw what a good worker he was.
Now I am not as strong as my Father and Grandfather. I actually liked the last Pope. Also the one who was Polish.
This new Pope is beginning to make me wonder if Granddaddy was right all along.
No. Ted Kennedy got an “annulment” due to heretical priests and bishops, more interested in politics and riches than the salvation of souls.
I won’t disagree; I don’t know the facts, but insincerity about the vows seems to be the consensus (for the official act).
BUT “immaturity” and other annulment grounds are still aligned with scripture and tradition.
That system is taken seriously, very process-heavy.
I’m not sure how else to express that annulments, while requested and approved much more frequently now than before in the West, are significant “legal” matters.
Smirak is brilliant. Excellent review. Thanks for the link.
“The progressive death-wish-list.” Yup.
Pope Francis is twisting the precious deposit of faith and his culpability will be massive, poor guy. Can his damage be fixed? Yes.
The Catholic Church maintains that the adultery excuse is not enough to allow a divorce; to the Church, the verse in Matthew is not translated well.
One could argue that official position needs to be made clearer to more married Catholics today.
We are so screwed.
Bzzt. Wrong answer. It should read since the evil council, Vatican II.
Please provide the Scripture references for this.
St. Thomas More, martyr under Henry VII, pray for us.
I stood before his relics at the Cathedral of St. Thomas More in Arlington two weeks ago and prayed that his martyrdom would not be shamed by Francis.
I think we’re in what the Bible would call a time of testing here. Pray for the Pope.
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