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To: Tennessean4Bush

“The writer believes Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, Baptists, Episcopalians, Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, the myriad of Evangelical and Protestant offshoots are all lost and going to hell?” Yes. And so do I. There are a million reasons, well, two million, supporting the conclusion that non-Catholics have a fragile connection to heaven. Would you like one, one hundred or one thousand reasons?


18 posted on 11/28/2016 9:38:52 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: Falconspeed

Well, bless your heart.


35 posted on 11/29/2016 5:51:46 AM PST by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Falconspeed; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
“The writer believes Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, Baptists, Episcopalians, Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, the myriad of Evangelical and Protestant offshoots are all lost and going to hell?” Yes. And so do I. There are a million reasons, well, two million, supporting the conclusion that non-Catholics have a fragile connection to heaven. Would you like one, one hundred or one thousand reasons?

Sure, lets hear some. Including why we need to submit to popes, while your interpretation of Catholic teaching such as generally affirms baptized Prots as members of the body of Christ is correct over that of V2 and popes since.

Of course, neither V2 Rome or its past can be the NT church. Which church manifestly did not teach perpetual ensured magisterial infallibility, this being unseen and unnecessary in the life of the church, nor did it have a separate class of believers distinctively called "saints" or distinctively titled "priests," offering up "real" flesh and blood as a sacrifice for sin, which is to be literally consumed in order to obtain spiritual life.

Nor is it otherwise Scripturally manifest in the life of the church as being the sacrament around which all else revolves, and the "source and summit of the Christian faith," "in which our redemption is accomplished."

Nor is the NT church manifest as looking to Peter as the first of a line of exalted infallible popes reigning over the church from Rome (which even Catholic scholarship provides testimony against), and praying to created beings in Heaven, and being formally justified by ones own sanctification/holiness, and thus enduring postmortem purifying torments in order to become good enough to enter Heaven, and saying rote prayers to obtain early release from it, and requiring clerical celibacy as the norm, among other things.

No wonder Catholics rely on amorphous "oral tradition," for under the premise of magisterial infallibility all sorts of fables can be chanelled into binding doctrine, even claiming to "remember" an extraScriptural event which lacks even early historical testimony. , and was opposed by RC scholars themselves the world over as being apostolic tradition.

52 posted on 11/29/2016 3:01:14 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Falconspeed

Baloney. The Bible does not say anywhere that one has to belong to a certain church to go to heaven. Read John 3:16, for example. I know of one other denomination which believes that and they are just as wrong. I do not understand where they get that wrong info.


56 posted on 11/29/2016 3:39:44 PM PST by MamaB (Heb. 13:2)
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To: Falconspeed
Would you like one, one hundred or one thousand reasons?

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

 

76 posted on 11/29/2016 6:55:44 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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