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Pope's possible deal with China would 'betray Christ', says Hong Kong cardinal
The Guardian ^ | 11-27-2016 | Benjamin Haas - Tom Phillips

Posted on 11/27/2016 6:00:49 PM PST by NRx

The most senior Chinese Catholic has slammed a potential rapprochement between the Vatican and Beijing, saying it would be “betraying Jesus Christ”, amid a thaw in more than six decades of bitter relations.

Talk of a deal between the two sides has been building for months, with some saying the diplomatic coup for Pope Francis would be resolving the highly controversial issue of allowing China’s Communist government to have a hand in selecting bishops.

But Cardinal Joseph Zen, the 84-year-old former bishop of Hong Kong, has been an outspoken critic, saying any agreement where Beijing would have a hand in approving clergy would be “a surrender”.

“Maybe the pope is a little naive, he doesn’t have the background to know the Communists in China,” Zen said at the Salesian school in Hong Kong where he still teaches. “The pope used to know the persecuted Communists [in Latin America], but he may not know the Communist persecutors who have killed hundreds of thousands.”

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1 posted on 11/27/2016 6:00:49 PM PST by NRx
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To: NRx

Not sure this current Pope has Christ as a top priority.


2 posted on 11/27/2016 6:04:37 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: NRx

I have to wonder how many voting members of The College of Cardinals are happy with their choice of Pope Francis and how many realize they screwed up.


3 posted on 11/27/2016 6:05:32 PM PST by Artemis Webb (Ted Kennedy burns in hell.)
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To: NRx

Betrayal is a strong word...but the Chicoms would accept nothing less before signing any kind of agreement.


4 posted on 11/27/2016 6:06:33 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)
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To: NRx

This Pope sucks.


5 posted on 11/27/2016 6:09:27 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: NRx

It’s not a “thaw.” It’s a betrayal and surrender.


6 posted on 11/27/2016 6:11:58 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NRx

Well, the fake Pope has already betrayed Catholic tradition and teaching so betraying Christ is just another step in the direction he’s already heading.
He’s a Marxist, for Pete’s sake, he’s going to favor communists.


7 posted on 11/27/2016 6:14:06 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam , Know Peace)
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To: NRx

everybody wants that Chinese money. Everybody.


8 posted on 11/27/2016 6:15:42 PM PST by brucedickinson
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To: NRx

Bergoglio has been denying Christ weekly.


9 posted on 11/27/2016 6:16:33 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: jospehm20

Big time.


10 posted on 11/27/2016 6:19:40 PM PST by OddLane
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To: NRx

Would this Pope allow the return of the veto to the Holy Roman Emperor? Of course not. Would this Pope hand a veto to the Communist Dictator of China? Of course. Frightening, isn’t it?


11 posted on 11/27/2016 6:19:40 PM PST by Dr. Morrall
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To: NRx

“he doesn’t have the background to know the Communists”

But communists have the “hearts of Christians.”


12 posted on 11/27/2016 6:21:51 PM PST by MNDude (God is not a Republican, but Satan is certainly a Democrat)
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To: Dr. Morrall

Excellent point!


13 posted on 11/27/2016 6:23:50 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: NRx
When you think about what this Pope has said and done, you realize that this Pope no more cares about the values/beliefs of current and past Christians than Obama cares about the values/beliefs of current and past Americans.

This Pope has stated that, "It is the Communists who think like Christian!"

By this rule he has also proclaimed its inevitable corollary, that "Those who do not think like Communist do not think like Christians!"

Like Obama who seeks to repopulate America with non-American foreigners/invaders, Francis seeks to repopulate the Catholic Church with non-Christians Communists/Socialists. And both have sought to completely disenfranchise those who oppose their radical transformation.

14 posted on 11/27/2016 8:27:37 PM PST by drpix
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To: NRx

unbelievable....these truly are the dark ages...


15 posted on 11/27/2016 8:28:46 PM PST by cherry
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To: NRx

This dipstick pap is rendering unto caesar what is God’s.


16 posted on 11/27/2016 8:40:41 PM PST by Vision Thing (You see the depths of my heart, and You love me the same...)
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To: NRx

Christians in general and Catholics in particular have been suffering in China since Mao. The problem is that China decided to make a fake Catholic Church and to sell it as authentic, just as the US Post Office is trying to sell Kwanza with their lame stamps. Pope John Paul II always saw the deception and secretly supported the original Catholics in China who are very admirable.
Pope John Paul II is JP the Great while Pope Francis is an empty suit with hallmark-card-like advice.
Presently there are 1,500 new Evangelical Christians from China are doing their best to evangelize in Muslim countries, such as Pakistan, since hey have an inside track in Muslim countries with their markets. Nice.
https://www.onfaith.co/onfaith/2011/02/03/chinese-christians-aim-to-evangelize-muslim-world/5247


17 posted on 11/27/2016 10:01:55 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: NRx

“The most senior Chinese Catholic has slammed a potential rapprochement between the Vatican and Beijing, saying it would be “betraying Jesus Christ””

I am sad to say that Cardinal Zen is correct.

Pope Francis believes in Communism and totalitarianism, . Pope Francis does not believe in Jesus Christ. Pope Francis has continually betrayed the Catholic Church and faithful Catholics.

Pope Francis is not a Catholic.

He is an evil man.

Is there anyone who disagrees?


18 posted on 11/28/2016 5:59:40 AM PST by detective
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To: detective
Pope Francis is not a Catholic.

Then "Pope" Francis is not pope.

19 posted on 11/28/2016 1:58:17 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: piusv

Then “Pope” Francis is not pope.

I do not believe Francis is a Pope in any sense other than having the title.

Francis does not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.


20 posted on 11/28/2016 2:12:05 PM PST by detective
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