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To: Mrs. Don-o

The real issue is the false concept: the perpetual virginity of Mary!

Matthew 1: 25

“and (Joseph) kept her (Mary) a virgin until (UNTIL) she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.”

So Mary was a virgin UNTIL Jesus was born!

And after that what happened? Mary had at least 6 more children.


70 posted on 10/20/2016 8:52:24 AM PDT by TRY ONE (I never got the memo changing the name of Global Warming to Klimate Change)
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To: TRY ONE
"Joseph kept Mary a virgin until she gave birth to a son."

This Biblical verse does not prove that Mary and Joseph had sexual relations afterwards, and to think so shows a common grammatical error. The word "until" does not mean that something that didn't happen before, did happen after.

This is true even in English. If you say "Stay well until we meet again," does that mean you want them to be well only until you see them, but they can darn well get sick afterwards?

It's even stronger in Greek. Acts 25:21 - "But when Paul had appealed to be kept in custody for the decision of the emperor, I commanded him to be held until (Gk. heos hou) I could send him to Caesar." Does this prove Paul would not be held in custody after he was "sent" to Caesar? Nope. He would be held in custody while in transit (Acts 27:1) and after he was in Rome awhile (Acts 27:1) "Until" (heos hou) does NOT mean "ONLY until," nor does it indicate that things changed afterwards."

Glad to clear up the grammar thee.

Here's another point. The understanding that the brethren of the Lord were Jesus’ stepbrothers (older children of widower Joseph by a previous marriage) was the most common one until the time of the great language scholar/Bible translator Jerome, who pointed out that Christ’s "brethren" were probably, in the Hebrew context, his cousins, since in Jewish idiom cousins were also referred to as "brethren." So this is another way the word "brethren" works, both in Hebrew and in Greek.

Nobody held that Jesus' "brethren" were his uterine brothers via Mary for a millennium and a half of intensive NT Bible study, done by people who were far closer to the idiomatic use of the original languages. The whole generation of Protestant reformers, including Luther, Calvin and Zwingli, held that the perpetual virginity of Mary was Biblical, and I've been told that many Protestant scholars still do.

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"Until" we meet in the FR Religion forum again, Try One, may God bless you And that means before and after!

71 posted on 10/20/2016 9:46:33 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of ... that was the point.)
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To: TRY ONE
You seem to think you understand Jerusalem-style Hebrew and Koine Greek better than Jerusalem-resident Hebrew scholars and Koine Greek speakers.

I remain unpersuaded, for some reason. (!!)

72 posted on 10/20/2016 10:23:18 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of ... that was the point.)
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