Posted on 10/18/2016 3:08:25 PM PDT by Brookhaven
A perfect example of someone who strains out a gnat while swallowing a camel.
Bottom line, you accept the KJV that means you insist that the Holy Spirit is imperfect because the Holy Spirit cannot and did not protect His Holy Word from the inclusion of error, and by denying the perfection of the Holy Spirit you deny the deity of Christ and the Father as well.
As I said, I'll pray for you and hope you don't continue down the path you're on which leads to your hearing, I never knew you from Jesus Christ Himself in spite of your protests that you've served Him.
Have thy Self a lovely day
Blah, Blah, Blah.
Provide one Scripture reference for this statement. Because if you can't no one can ever take you seriously again, you will be a laughing stock.
You've chosen your path, I pray you find the Truth, til' then, your hypocrisy is showing every time you speak of the Bible which you in fact do not accept without your own personal preferred revisions and even then, you only accept a subset of His Word.
I won't waste any more time with someone who beats their chest with an ignorance stick while proclaiming their own Self-Righthosness after throwing whole books of the Bible in the garbage can and by doing so denying the deity of Christ but all the while pretending they're Christian..
So try your Pharisee leaven on someone else.
Have thy Self a lovely day
Uh, I don’t mean to interrupt your nice friendly chat, however I do feel compelled to let you know that as an observer of your debate that I don’t see a lot of Christian charity going on between you guys. What I do see is a lot of vitriol and contempt and disdain and pride and presumption. Just sayin.
You guys are talking past each other and going in circles endlessly into the middle of the night.
Look, it’s easy. The Bible is the perfect, complete, and inerrant revelation of God’s Word to us as it was written down by its inspired authors in its original languages (mainly Hebrew and Greek).
Any translation is by necesity going to have word choices that don’t match the all subtle multiple meanings, the word definitions, the wordplay, the connotations, etc.It will be different, no matter how slight. At that point IT IS NO LONGER PERFECT AND 100% INERRANT.
All translations will by necessity have slight changes in meaning. Sometimes even an outright mistake. It can’t be helped. Why? Because the translator is not inspired directly by the Lord. Only the original authors were.
All Bible translations will contain the ocassional mistake in word choice or understanding of meaning. It’s inevitabke.
Now, we can work diligently to fix that. For example we have now recovered more of the original texts than ever before (Dead Sea Scrolls, etc), sources that the KJV scholars didn’t have. And so yes the KJV has mistakes.
For example the KJV scholars, as good as they were, had messed up on the translation of the Book of Job quite a bit. It’s because it is the oldest book in the Bible in terms of when it was written down. It’s not even Hebrew. The Hebrew in it is actually the translation of an even older language, now lost. Because of this the Hebrew is weird because it uses words and phrases that appear no where else in the Bible.
The KJV is imperfect. The NIV is imperfect. They all are. I’m sorry.
So you need to use the Holy Spirit to help you discern which translation to use. Then let the HS guide you in reading it and understanding it. (Paul said that’s mandatory.)
Just remember that you are reading the most important and edifying and precious and glorious book ever written. Maranatha!
I'll ask you, what I ask the freeper on this thread.
Can you provide one verse to back up your claim. Or is everyone just supposed to take man's word for it.
Provide one Scripture verse, where it says God is unable to preserve His word. Just one, thanks.
The Septuagint has more books than the KJV. Therefore, either the Holy Spirit wasn't protecting the Word of God when He allowed those books to remain in the Bible for 1800 years, or those books should still be in the Bible meaning anyone who insists only the subset is inspired is saying outright that the Holy Spirit allowed error to remain in His Word for eighteen hundred years.
Do your mommy and daddy know you're playing on the computer again?
Are you implying that the KJV is perfect? The Perfect True Bible is the one that was written down by the original inspired authors in the original languges. That is the true gospel (literally ‘God breathed’). I am sorry but the KJV ain’t perfect. It’s good but it does mess up sometimes (like in Job).
I have a half dozen translations: KJV, ESV (which is the KJV with modern pronouns), NASB (not the Catholic one but the literalist one that I use for word study), NLT, Good News (for when I’m feeling depressed), NIV (general use), and NT greek interlineal (for hard core word study).
The version I choose depends on my needs at the time. There is no one eternally ‘true’ English translation of the One True Bible because it varies. In mathematical terms the set of all translations does not possess a strict ordering operator for ‘is better than’.
For example I don’t use the KJV when I want to read Job. (I use NASB or NIV for that.) I’ll pick NASB or Interlineal for word study. NASB is stilted and trades off flow for literality, so I read NIV or KJV when I just want to read God’s Word in bed like a novel.
You seem to think the KJV is really keen, which is great. You’re down on the NIV, which is fine too. Most people will stick with the Bible they grew up with. It’s only natural. I grew up with NIV. You can read the KJV (which has errors) and I can read the NIV (which has different errors). Or better yet I can read both and compare. (Bible Gateway is really good for that.)
So basically the Holy Spirit leads me to read the translation or translations (for comparison) that I need at the time. It’s as simple as that.
So you believe that every OT Scribe who copied the originals, was so careless in doing the one job they were trained to do their whole life, (make perfect copies of the originals), that today, we really have no way of knowing what is true or what is false?
Then you really have no way of knowing that you are even saved, because if God is not powerful enough to preserve His own word, He certainly is not powerful enough to preserve your soul.
I feel very sorry for you.
In your next little childish post, you post Scripture, the Scripture that shows Christ, the Apostles, or anyone else telling the Greeks studying their Greek Bible (i.e.the Septuagint) that they were studying a Bible that contained books that were not the inspired Word of God. You know which Greeks, the same ones Paul praised for studying their Greek Septuagint.
The broad easy highway you're on leads to your hearing, I never knew you from Jesus Christ Himself in spite of your trying to tell Him how you've served Him.
Now post away but you're the only one you're making a fool of.
Ok, like I said before "I'm glad to be of service"
Huh? Oh c’mon. We know the OT scholars made errors (very rarely as proven by how close the Masoretic text matched the Dead Sea Scrolls) but they made them. But it was really rare (mainly side marks for pronunciation hints that didn’t change meaning). You see, the Jews were fanatics about it. Jews believe that the OT was divine in the letters themselves (which had mystic numerical values) so yeah they were really careful.
God choses imperfect agents all the time to do His will. The apostles messed up, David messed up, even Moses messed up. The Bible we have today is as accurate as He wanted it to be. I believe that the Hebrew OT that we have today contains everything important that He wanted it to have, made though imperfect agents. Anything possibly lost was either inconsequential or unnecessary in communicating the Law and the prophets to the Jews (and us) all according to His perfect will.
Otherwise every scribe would have to be inspired like Moses and the prophets themselves. Every single one. That’s nuts.
And I don’t appreciate you condemning me for not agreeing with such a transparently silly assertion.
Goodnight. I’ll be praying for you too.
Thanks, may I have another?
But after this one don't expect me to post them right away, the big boys in this forum have important things to discuss, and you are like that little,tiny,
What insect was it you called God's word? oh yeah "Gnat"
Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Luke 21:33
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Three times in the New Testament Jesus said, His word shall not pass away.
But I should not believe that, because Gideon7 said God's word has errors, and it can't be trusted.
Jude 1:10 But these men blaspheme whatever things they know not: and what things soever they naturally know, like dumb beasts, in these they are corrupted.
Jude 1:11 Woe unto them, for they have gone in the way of Cain: and after the error of Balaam they have for reward poured out themselves, and have perished in the contradiction of Core.
Jude 1:1 2 These are spots in their banquets, feasting together without fear, feeding themselves, clouds without water, which are carried about by winds, trees of the autumn, unfruitful, twice dead, plucked up by the roots,
Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own confusion; wandering stars, to whom the storm of darkness is reserved for ever.
Jude 1:14 Now of these Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying: Behold, the Lord cometh with thousands of his saints,
Jude 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to reprove all the ungodly for all the works of their ungodliness, whereby they have done ungodly, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against God.
Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, full of complaints, walking according to their own desires, and their mouth speaketh proud things, admiring persons for gain's sake.
Jude 1:17 But you, my dearly beloved, be mindful of the words which have been spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Jude 1:18 Who told you, that in the last time there should come mockers, walking according to their own desires in ungodlinesses.
Jude 1:19 These are they, who separate themselves, sensual men, having not the Spirit.
You are the perfect example of what passes for an "Evangelical Christian" in this country, a mocker, foaming in their own confusion, and perishing in the contradiction of Core.
Now tell us all how the Holy Spirit guides your every step and every post.
And the KJV translators had NO agenda at ALL?
Really??
KJV translators ADDED to the written word.
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