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To: boatbums

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You are dodging what Faith is.

If you do not believe that Torah is Yehova’s instructions for righteousness, it is impossible for you to even have faith.

Paul made that clear in chapters 3 and 4 of his epistle to the Hebrews. He declared that the gospel he preached is the exact same gospel that was delivered to Moses, and that those that were lost in the desert simply lacked belief therein.

How much plainer can it be?

If you deny Torah, you have nothing left for faith to be about. If you don’t believe the plan Yehova delivered to his sheep was adequate, you are in the same shape that the unbelievers that yearned to return to Egypt were in.
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225 posted on 10/25/2016 8:18:57 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
You are dodging what Faith is.

Nope. No dodge. You are ignoring what FAITH is. Here...let me help you:

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (Hebrews 11:1)

If you do not believe that Torah is Yehova’s instructions for righteousness, it is impossible for you to even have faith.

Where have I ever denied that "Torah" (though you continue to refuse to define what YOU mean by that word) is God's instruction for righteousness? What I deny - and what Scripture also affirms - is that we are NOT saved by the righteous things we do, but by the GRACE of God through faith. Faith is believing God, trusting in His promises to redeem us through Christ and His sacrifice for our sins. You like to refer to Hebrews, here is a little from that sacred book:

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. (Hebrews 10:1-18)

God certainly WILL put His laws into our previously stone hearts that are now hearts of flesh. That is the point. The new spirit birth will place within our hearts a desire to live for God in holiness out of gratitude for what He has done for us, NOT in order to merit salvation. It cannot be earned, deserved or merited which is why it is by GRACE through faith. This faith is a resting trust in what HE has done for us and not we do for Him. How I pray you GET IT!

I will not be replying anymore to your taunts on this thread. I have more than abundantly explained my beliefs. If you don't agree, you don't agree. I can't make you see the light. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. Good night!

231 posted on 10/25/2016 7:22:16 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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