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To: ealgeone
You are the one giving the title of name it and claim it. That's not quite it. It's say it and have faith in it. In Proverbs we are told we have the power of life and death in the tongue. So, it make sense to me to STOP speaking bad things when Goid has promises of good things. If you say a prayer like, "God, if it's Your will to heal, please heal so and so." His Word says His stripes healed you. He says All disease is healed. When God spoke the Creation into existence, Our Bible says "Let there be light", but the actual words were "Light be!" There was no "When you get time" or "if you feel like it", or any equivocation with God. Now, what does the Bible say actually DID the work? It says the Spirit hovered, or brooded, above the waters. The Holy Spirit was the one that made Mary pregnant. The Holy Spirit does the work God says to do. Now the Holy Spirit is in us, if you belong to Him. The Holy Spirit is our guarantee of heaven. You have NO power without the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit comes with gifts. If you refuse to use them, or even acknowledge they exist, how do you do any work for God that He gives you to do? Name it and claim it is a derogatory term to describe someone acting on their faith. Jesus said "Lazarus come forth!" He didn't have to fall to His knees and bargain with God for an hour to get Lazarus raised. How embarrassing would it have been for Jesus to have asked Lazarus to be raised and he stayed dead? There was no doubting in His voice. In fact Jesus was thankful that God was going to be glorified. He knew beforehand Lazarus would rise. When the Apostles healed people, they just said rise and walk. There was no doubt. When we pray, in our heart, we might doubt God will do what He said in Scripture. Is that real faith? We start to make excuse why God might not heal or might not hear us, or whatever equivocation we can come up with when they don't get healed.

It's not "name it and claim it" but rather say it in faith. If you lack faith, don't bother to pray. Maybe a prayer like, "Lord, increase our faith" might fit closer. Then watch for God to increase your faith. He could even heal the person instantly to increase your faith.

Let me ask, just a hypothetical question. If a loved one, say a spouse or daughter, died in front of you. Would you pray over her, "Rise up, in the name of Jesus!" or would you just weep as the coroner carried her off? Would you be embarrassed that someone might hear you? Do you believe the Bible or not? The same Spirit in Paul is in you. That is a measure of faith to study on before you are tested. Remember all you need is a mustard seed of faith.

Many people I talk to SAY they have faith, but rarely show any. I've even spoken to pastors praying for sick people in their flock and told them my testimony of my mother in law, and they replied, "I don't believe in that." I asked, why are you bothering to pray if you don't believe. It's the same with me. I tell of things I have seen and done, in person, and they don't believe, yet go to church and pretend they are praying for whatever they have a need for. Then they wonder why their prayers are never answered. I literally have 100's of stories of answered prayers, literal miracles, but people here seem angry at me, or think I'm weird, or a liar, or a fool. When the deaf were healed and the lame made to walk, Jesus told them "Go and tell NO ONE!" What did they do? I'm the same. I just want people to know what I have seen with my own eyes. We are supposed to gather together, especially in the Last Days, to speak of our Testimony. My testimony should edify people, not make them angry. It makes me wonder what spirit is inside them to do such a thing.

73 posted on 09/28/2016 2:42:09 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles; ealgeone
You are the one giving the title of name it and claim it. That's not quite it. It's say it and have faith in it.

HELLO!!

That's "Name it and claim it."

You can claim you are not Pentecostal all you want but you clearly advocate for the prosperity gospel and pentecostalism.

You actions are speaking far louder than your words.

You have one of the most prideful, judgmental spirit I've seen in a long time. You have no business telling others they don't have enough faith because things don't fall out the way YOU think they should.

You DON'T know that and you CAN'T know that.

And then you have the nerve to chastise others because they don't know you and yet you have been doing that very thing yourself on this very thread.

That's called *hypocrisy.*

Also, God never told us that our words have creative power as His do. That's another false gospel teaching.

75 posted on 09/28/2016 2:59:08 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: chuckles
You are the one giving the title of name it and claim it. That's not quite it. It's say it and have faith in it.

You're kidding...right? You're arguing like the catholic with the redefining of terms.

Let me ask, just a hypothetical question. If a loved one, say a spouse or daughter, died in front of you. Would you pray over her, "Rise up, in the name of Jesus!" or would you just weep as the coroner carried her off? Would you be embarrassed that someone might hear you? Do you believe the Bible or not?

By your logic(?)no one will ever die or be poor which is in contradiction of what we see in the NT. That is the fallacy of your position. Short of the rapture we will all die at some point in this life.

The same Spirit in Paul is in you. That is a measure of faith to study on before you are tested. Remember all you need is a mustard seed of faith.

This is the same Paul who asked to be healed three times and was told no. Are you saying he didn't have the faith of a mustard seed????

This is the same Paul who you said was told no because it was not God's will for him to be healed. Which, so far, is about the only thing you've said that's made any sense.

80 posted on 09/28/2016 4:39:39 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: chuckles
We are supposed to gather together, especially in the Last Days, to speak of our Testimony. My testimony should edify people, not make them angry. It makes me wonder what spirit is inside them to do such a thing.

We are also told to test every spirit. So far your's is not passing the test as you're in contradiction of the Word.

81 posted on 09/28/2016 4:42:39 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: chuckles; ealgeone
We are supposed to gather together, especially in the Last Days, to speak of our Testimony.

Where did God command that in Scripture? You have any chapters and verses to support your claim?

83 posted on 09/28/2016 5:28:25 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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