A whiff of schism: when different Catholics hold radically different beliefs

Catholic Culture ^ | September 23, 2016 | Phil Lawler

[Jim Noble]

To say that we are “in communion” with other Catholics is to profess that we believe what they believe

I've had plenty of experience with Evangelical churches and Catholic churches, and it is certainly true that there is MUCH more diversity of belief among Catholics than there is among Protestants.

The stream of dissent in American Catholic parishes is deep and wide, and it is often led by priests or, more commonly, religious sisters.

I once worshipped for five years or so at a suburban Boston parish with about 1200 people at Mass on Sunday. If they had been Evangelicals, there would have been so much shaking of dust off of sandals that they would have formed 50 new and different churches by the time I left.

It cracks me up every time a Catholic poster here declares that all Catholics, or even most Catholics, believe the same thing. Nothing could be further from the truth.

[miss marmelstein]

Well, there is only one Catechism. Many Catholics are not educated to know this.

[Jim Noble]

I missed that it was a caucus thread. Please delete my post.

[JerryBlackwell]

It won’t be long before the RCC is downsized to just the true believers and the TLM. I believe this is what Pope BXVI meant when he said the church would be smaller but more vibrant.

[WriteOn]

That’s a mess. Yiu have to wonder where the bishop is...

[pgyanke]

[Romulus]

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, the Bishop appears to be with the heretics.

[marshmallow]

The bitter dispute in this Irish parish is an extreme example of a sort of conflict that has become sadly familiar within Catholic communities. These conflicts erupted in the 1960s, peaked in the 1970s and 1980s, then subsided for a few decades. They have escalated again during the past three years, since the election of Pope Francis....

Phil wants to say it but can't quite bring himself to do so....yet.

Here ya go, Phil. Allow me...."....whose constant ridiculing and abuse of faithful Catholics, virulent anti-intellectualism and ongoing denigration of traditional Catholic moral teaching has given encouragement and comfort to dissidents within the Church as well as its enemies without and has contributed enormously to the current upheaval."

Glad I could help.

[fortes fortuna juvat]

The bitter dispute in this Irish parish is an extreme example of a sort of conflict that has become sadly familiar within Catholic communities.
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The “bitter dispute” is a reflection of the “bitter fruit” of VC-II.

[daniel1212]

I've had plenty of experience with Evangelical churches and Catholic churches, and it is certainly true that there is MUCH more diversity of belief among Catholics than there is among Protestants. The stream of dissent in American Catholic parishes is deep and wide, and it is often led by priests or, more commonly, religious sisters. I once worshipped for five years or so at a suburban Boston parish with about 1200 people at Mass on Sunday. If they had been Evangelicals, there would have been so much shaking of dust off of sandals that they would have formed 50 new and different churches by the time I left. It cracks me up every time a Catholic poster here declares that all Catholics, or even most Catholics, believe the same thing. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Indeed, Profess does not even necessarily equate to believe, while what they profess is variegated beliefs. Then trad. RCs condemn divisions among evangelicals while they themselves must engage in the same.

[daniel1212]

“Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of the liturgy has totally disappeared,” wrote then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in The Spirit of the Liturgy.

But cordially responding to an impenitent proud proabortion prosodmite pol without rebuke, and allow such to have ecclesiastical funerals which praise them, is not sanctioning unholy applause?

[daniel1212]

Well, there is only one Catechism. Many Catholics are not educated to know this.

What one does and effects is how true belief is determined Scripturally. Many Catholics are not educated to know this. Nor is the Catechism infallible, and not subject to interpretation to some degree, or all the same as previous Catechisms.

[Jeff Chandler]

I see nothing objectionable in your post.

[miss marmelstein]

The teachings within it are infallible.

[piusv]

We are *supposed* to believe the same things. There has been no unity in the Church since Vatican II.

[metmom]

This thread was ineligible for the caucus designation as it referenced Protestantism in the third from the end paragraph. It said this.....

“We are not “in communion” with our Protestant friends, no matter how much we might love and respect them; nor are they in communion with us, since they “protest” various aspects of our faith. “

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According to the RM profile page,

Religion Forum threads labeled “Caucus”

The “caucus” article and posts must not compare beliefs or speak in behalf of a belief outside the caucus.

[metmom]

Then trad. RCs condemn divisions among evangelicals while they themselves must engage in the same.

Rather ironic that they celebrate diversity among themselves and yet still claim to be in communion with each other, and yet when those outside Catholicism are diverse, RC's are condemning it as being an indication the error of *sola Scriptura* and it's proof that Protestantism is not the OTC.

[metmom]

The teachings within it are infallible.

WHICH teachings?

RC?

EO?

Some other of the 22 other rites?

Papal bulls?

Trent?

Vatican I?

Vatican II?

[miss marmelstein]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church. It’s published.