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To: metmom
..."So why are you so focused on the gifts of the Spirit and not the FRUIT of the Spirit?"...

Because you have no spiritual fruit without spiritual gifts. Let's say you give $100,000 to charity unsaved. It counts for NOTHING in heaven. But if you give $100 to charity saved, that's treasure in heaven. If you pray for someone and they get healed, that is fruit accounted to you. A nonspiritual person gets nothing and the patient gets no healing. The apostles could have gone out to start the church without Acts 2, but how far would they get on their own power? It's all about power. Christians scurry about doing things with no results because they lack the power of the Holy Spirit.

The reason I spoke about the gifts was because the cartoon was about making fun of the Spiritual gifts. There is much more in Scripture than tongues, but the subject was tongues.

The problem with Christianity today is they haven't figured out that knowing ABOUT Jesus isn't the same as KNOWING Jesus. If He doesn't speak to you, He doesn't know you. I have told people I heard Him speak and some look as if I missed my meds. If you don't hear God speak, do you even know Him and He you? You have the Kingdom of God and Babylon. That's it, nothing else, no grey areas. Saying you are in the Kingdom doesn't make you in the kingdom. Satan will give strong delusion that even will fool the elect, if they are weak. When you pray for someone to get a job and they get a job the NEXT DAY, I feel like God listened. I have watched others pray literally for years and get nothing.

Let me give you some homework. Go to Google and search "Todd White". Watch at least an hour and make up your own mind.

24 posted on 09/22/2016 6:59:47 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; boatbums; CynicalBear; daniel1212; dragonblustar; Dutchboy88; ...
Because you have no spiritual fruit without spiritual gifts.

Absolute and total nonsense. You have no fruit without the Holy Spirit, not the tools He has given us.

The GIFTS do NOT produce fruit in a person's life.

Paul tells us that without the FRUIT the gifts are meaningless.

Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

When you pray for someone to get a job and they get a job the NEXT DAY, I feel like God listened.

Oh, so you ***FEEL LIKE*** God didn't listen....

Nice. And do you tell other believers that too?

And are you speaking for God from His perspective or speaking from your own experience?

And again, as usual, Pentecostal teaching that demonstrates NO Scriptural basis.

Because what did GOD tell us about prayer? Last I recall, He hears AND answers. EVERY. LAST. PRAYER.

And just because He didn't perform the way you thought He should have or expected, doesn't mean He didn't answer.

I have watched others pray literally for years and get nothing.

So what? And who said they didn't get anything? YOU?!?!?!

And what do you know? Read Job lately when God questioned him?

Do you know the mind of God? Do you know the beginning from the end? Do you know the depths of a person's heart? Do you know all the details in a person's life that they are involved in?

And you presume to sit in judgment on them and GOD????

Pentecostals are nothing if not gutsy.

27 posted on 09/22/2016 10:58:26 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: chuckles
Let me give you some homework. Go to Google and search "Todd White". Watch at least an hour and make up your own mind.

Get over yourself.

Give me homework?

What a hoot.

And Todd White?

Who cares what he has to say?

Give me SCRIPTURE to back up your claims, not some feel good wolf in sheep's clothing comments.

His homepage is all about HIM. Nothing about what he believes or teaches. No statement of faith. Just asking for money.

And what is notably lacking from his website is ANY reference to Jesus, the cross, His blood, redemption, sin, confession, atonement, Scripture, whatever.

It's just talking about Christians and *God* and power and love.

It's all just a bunch of feel good showmanship, appealing to the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life, with him looking for money.

Why the heck would I want to watch something that is not Christ focused?

28 posted on 09/22/2016 11:13:09 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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