Posted on 08/24/2016 6:49:08 PM PDT by Gamecock
Back Story: Six arrested at Houston's Lakewood Church after heckling senior pastor Joel Osteen
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I missed it, too, but it’s a good thing you posted it. Looks like I need to rethink my bucket list :)
Cult vs. apostates.
Could I get butter on my popcorn while I watch the show?
Church of Wells is a cult.
You’ve got to admit that it’s A Good Thing for these False Prophets to be fighting one another, though. ;)
I don’t care for Osteen, but care even less for the Church of Wells.
Got to say that i’m a bit concerned with this ruling. A “church” —whether we would esteem it genuine or cultic— is a private institution.
As such, the First Amendment does not apply. Imagine the difficulty if say an extreme Charismatic group entered your Presbyterian church in order to initiate a ‘slain in the spirit’ service.
Our response at my little OPC congregation would be to quickly give the violators the right foot of fellowship (a.k.a. a swift kick in the @$$ out the door). Even the EPC modified their by-laws in order to exclude whoever they wish for any reason that they may wish, or no reason at all.
So now all churches have to tolerate disruption of their worship service?
Good grief.
What a way to make Christians look bad.
Except that people don't realize that they are false religions. They think, and the media portrays them, as Christians.
Satan gets his best mileage out of wolves in sheep's clothing.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Osteen tried to have the Holy Spirit arrested for trespassing in his church!
“A “church” —whether we would esteem it genuine or cultic— is a private institution.”
Yes, but if they invite the public to come on down, well, then they would seem to have waived some of their normal recourse when the public actually show up...
that was funny!
No more than you would in your own house. Your rights do not diminish inside your home. However those of your visitors do. If they don't like it, they can leave, or be removed. Same thing with a church or any other private institution.
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I don’t consider causing a ruckus at a church to be all that brave, not in our country anyway.
In fact, I consider it a 2 parts goofy and 1 part cowardly.
Nonsense. If you invite someone into your home, that makes it difficult to assert a case that they are trespassing, and that holds true even moreso for a church that issues an open invitation to EVERYONE to attend.
The only thing that is nonsense is the above statement. A person can be 'uninvited' at any time, and such matters are rather common. No peace officer would blink at or acknowledge a protest that the offender was initially invited.
Many churches, including my former denomination have provisions in their By-laws, or Book of Order (i'm a Presbyterian, we have a book of order in the denomination, the congregation has corporate by-laws. Polity depends on the tradition and will vary for different denominations.) to the effect that they can reject anyone at any time for any reason.
In the case of my former denomination, the provision was drafted by a ruling elder who works as a constitutional lawyer.
NOBODY has been crazy enough to challenge it even though there have been some rather crazy, disruptive people involved with that particular denomination.
Still, such provisions are not required to be explicitly stated. Were this the case, those who are excommunicated from a church body would have a case for legal action --this is an analog of somebody you have invited into your home who is no longer welcome there-- As far as i can see, Osteen and the congregation should have filed a Federal lawsuit, they would have won and rightfully so. Besides, i'd bet that the by-laws of Osteen's congregation DO provide a disclaimer. Osteen's father, Rev. John Osteen was not a stupid man, even if his theology was a bit aberrant.
i’m not back. Too busy these days.
yep, the homosexual can now enter and protest in your church. But on the other hand, the real test would be if we can disrupt a muslim service..............
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