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Don Nicola Bux on Amoris Laetitia: "The Eucharist is Not a Sacrament for the Sinner"
Eponymous Flower ^ | August 19, 2016

Posted on 08/22/2016 5:58:11 PM PDT by ebb tide

"The Eucharist is not a sacrament for the sinner but the sacrament of reconciled sinners. Just as it is the source and principle of mercy. I hope I have been clear!

Nicola Bux, August 13, 2016 at a youth meeting in Schio. The theologian spoke on the theme "The sacraments are not a joke." The Eucharist is not a sacrament for the divorced and remarried, but for reconciled sinners. The liturgist Nicola Bux is one of the most reputable practitioners of the liturgical science and is one of the leading supporters of Benedict XVI's intended liturgical renewal. He is a lecturer at the Theological Faculty of Puglia and the local Institute of Religious Sciences, consultor of the Congregation for Doctrine of the Faith and the Congregation for the Causes of Saints and spiritual assistant of the St. Josef Brotherhood of Bari. Under Pope Benedict XVI. he was also a consultant of the Office for the Liturgical Celebrations of the Pope .


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: adultery; francischurch; mortalsin
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To: ebb tide; Elsie
I have every reason to hate Luther as much as I hate Mohammed.

You might as well get used to the idea that Luther will be there in heaven with you - if you plan to go to heaven, that is. You will have all eternity to learn to love him.

81 posted on 08/23/2016 10:33:37 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: piusv
Anyone not a member of the Catholic Church at the time of their death is not saved unless they are in invincible ignorance and God wills to save them. That is Catholic teaching. That is not my assumption nor my personal belief like HJ’s assumption and belief that I commit mortal sins on the regular.

I KNOW it's Catholic teaching, although I'm regularly taken to the woodshed for stating that by the other FRoman Catholics on this board, but I believe that you already were aware of that.

However, it is not Scriptural teaching which is that it is by faith in Christ.

Jesus' take on faith and believing and salvation.

John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Not a thing about church membership in either His comments or any others by the apostles.

82 posted on 08/23/2016 10:43:25 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: piusv
Wait...you believe in mortal sin now?

Nope. I don't categorize sin. Sin is sin.

James says this about sin......

James 2:8-11 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

All sin damns.

Adam and Eve sinned just one sin and brought condemnation on the whole world.

All sin has the same solution. Forgiveness.

Hebrews 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

83 posted on 08/23/2016 10:50:33 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: piusv
Anyone not a member of the Catholic Church at the time of their death is not saved unless they are in invincible ignorance and God wills to save them. That is Catholic teaching. That is not my assumption nor my personal belief like HJ’s assumption and belief that I commit mortal sins on the regular.

But it is your personal belief. It happens to coincide with Catholic teaching, true, but you had to personally either come to that conclusion or accept their conclusion as your own.

84 posted on 08/23/2016 10:52:32 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: bonfire

Some situations leave you with nothing else to say.


85 posted on 08/23/2016 10:53:17 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: boatbums

I think one of Satan’s biggest successes is to get people to think that they can take care of their sin on their own, through suffering it away.

Which directly contradicts the Word of God which says that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.

He loves nothing more than keeping people from going to God for forgiveness and cleansing.


86 posted on 08/23/2016 10:56:11 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide
I'm proud to not be a heretic and I have every reason to hate Luther as much as I hate Mohammed. If anything, I hate Luther more for he apostatized from the one, true Church.

I didn't know the Catholic church allowed one to hate anyone.

God doesn't.

1 John 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

87 posted on 08/23/2016 11:04:40 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
1 John 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

Oops.
88 posted on 08/24/2016 1:35:13 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: boatbums

Matt.7: 21-23, why are those that believe in Christ being condemned? They are pleading to Christ (A sign of belief) and Christ is ignoring their excuses, hence not being forgiven. Again, what was the reason (In Matt 7: 13-26).


89 posted on 08/24/2016 2:33:49 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: SubMareener
Post #89, again this has to do with taking God's name in vain/sinning yet expecting forgiveness/not doing the Father's will.

Many who believe in Christ (After all Satan does too), but do not adhere to the faith/commands is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. They appear Christian, but deny the power (Holy Spirit) so that they can go their own way and embrace sin expecting Christ to forgive them. There is no turning away, just a strong sense of Christian entitlement.
90 posted on 08/24/2016 2:40:52 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: omegatoo
Adulterer is not free to marry.

If adultery occurred, forgiveness and maintaining the marriage should be at the forefront, especially with children involved. Of course the adulterer must be completely changed in order for reconciliation to work. In some cases the adulterer abandons the marriage for the affair partner. In this case, the annulment process should be simpler, adultery + abandonment.

Does the Church want victims to live in abject poverty because their spouse left them? What if they have kids? Victims of adultery/abandonment should not be left high and dry by the other spouse as well as a Church that can stall a remarriage.
91 posted on 08/24/2016 2:49:49 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: metmom; HamiltonJay

Yes, I am Catholic. I believe what Christ’s Church teaches. OTOH, there is no specific teaching in any form of Christianity that teaches its adherents to believe how often a particular poster mortally sins. I believe that’s what they call “making it personal” on this forum. I don’t normally get into it with you folks, but when someone makes it personal, I sure as heck will.


92 posted on 08/24/2016 4:17:25 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: HamiltonJay

You seem to miss much of what I have said about the fact that I do sin. I am in no way trying to make myself out to be a saint. But I will not continue to take your personal attacks on my character. Not only do I mortally sin on a regular basis according to you, now I am the Pharisee in the Temple. I work hard to remain faithful to my Catholic Faith as do many other Catholics that I know. Get off my back.


93 posted on 08/24/2016 4:24:26 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: metmom; HamiltonJay

Except in the context of the interactions between HJ and you and I, we were specifically referring to what Catholics call “mortal sins” because I started it by stating that Catholics must go to confession before receiving communion if they are in a state of mortal sin. I also made it clear that I was referring to what we must do, not what actually happens much of the time.

Now....if we want to change the discussion to all sin (venial and mortal)......


94 posted on 08/24/2016 4:32:48 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: ebb tide

That’s comical. We have to practically drag the word Christian out of the catholic’s mouth on these threads. Rarely, do we see the Catholic identify with Christ. It’s overwhelmingly the Roman Catholic Church they identify with.


95 posted on 08/24/2016 4:37:32 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

We’re not really sure catholics know what the rcc teaches.


96 posted on 08/24/2016 4:39:35 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: HamiltonJay; piusv
Didn't Christ up the ante on this and indicate if you even thought about these it was sin?

If I were Roman catholic I'd never let the priest out of my sight I'd be so scared I'd committed a mortal sin without knowing it.

97 posted on 08/24/2016 4:46:39 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide; Elsie

Wouldn’t that hate be a mortal sin in the catholic worldview?


98 posted on 08/24/2016 4:52:49 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
If anything, I hate Luther more for he apostatized from the one, true Church.

So; in your - oops! ROME's opinion; is Luther in purgatory now?

99 posted on 08/24/2016 5:10:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17

But; to be REALLY sure; I’d better wear some Catholic B.S. around my next.


100 posted on 08/24/2016 5:13:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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