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To: Fantasywriter; Salvation

You must have a guilty conscience. Blame others?

You are right that the Catholic Church welcomes sinners (as did Jesus) to help them attain salvation with our Lord. All humans can do better and sin less including all those that commit adultery and the rest of the commandments and do not honor God.

Salvation presents the article for discussion and to help all of us attain salvation with God.


221 posted on 08/21/2016 3:42:38 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
You are right that the Catholic Church welcomes sinners (as did Jesus) to help them attain salvation with our Lord.

Now then; which hoops are necessary again???

240 posted on 08/21/2016 4:59:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM; Fantasywriter
FW is correct. Not a guilty conscience.

The Catholic church needs to follow the instructions in the very Scripture that it claims it wrote.

1 Corinthians 5:1-13 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

254 posted on 08/21/2016 5:58:17 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ADSUM; metmom

Why is ***anyone*** in the Catholic church concerning themselves with how God will judge others? As long as you have a publicly acknowledged Gay Mafia embedded in Vatican City, that is sufficient concern for you. You will not be able to worship in spirit and truth—Jesus’s requirement for all believers—unless and until you purge that evil from your midst.

When you ignore the Vatican City Gay Mafia and turn your attention toward the judgment of others, you are going even beyond the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. True, they were relentless in their judgement of others. But not even the Pharisees embraced Sodom and Gomorrah in their innermost circle, while concomitently discussing God’s plans to judge others.

Remove the beam from your own eye first, then focus on other people’s specks.

Romans 14:4

Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

And re the practice of concerning yourself with God’s plans for others:

John 22:

20 Peter, turning around, *saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” 21 So Peter seeing him *said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” 22 Jesus *said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!”

And above all, the passage Metmom posted. [Thank you, Metmom; your kindness, wisdom and godly insights are profoundly appreciated.] When Paul learned that the Corinthian church was harboring within its assembly the sexually immoral, he didn’t counsel them to distract themselves by speculating on God’s judgement of others. He told them to clean the sexual immorality out of their assembly ASAP. This is a timeless Apostolic admonition which no Christian assembly can dare to ignore.

Prayers for you and all your fellow Catholics, as you strive to cleanse the homosexual influence from the highest echelons of Vatican City. It will be no small task. May God richly bless your righteous efforts.


272 posted on 08/21/2016 7:24:59 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: .45 Long Colt
Here is an immediate exhibit of that secret pride, tempered slightly by the addition of 'help us attain': "Salvation presents the article for discussion and to help all of us attain salvation with God." The secret pride is inferring that attaining must come through the Catholic Institution, as the poster counts self as 'in the right church/institution'. But make no mistake, Baptists and Methodists and Presbyterians and Mormons, etc. make the same secret pride mistake.

JESUS is building HIS body of believers, the real one true church, the Ekklesia He will call out / snatch from the scene before He lowers the boom.

281 posted on 08/21/2016 8:10:12 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: ADSUM; Fantasywriter

So, the Catholic church is the door to THE Door which is Jesus Christ???


414 posted on 08/21/2016 7:31:32 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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