Posted on 08/20/2016 7:45:03 AM PDT by Salvation
Matthew 16
13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesare’a Philip’pi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?”
14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Eli’jah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.
21 From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.
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24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
26 For what will it profit a man, if he gains the whole world and forfeits his life? Or what shall a man give in return for his life?
27 For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done.
28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”
You paging ME??
Teaching ERROR!!!
Please. The beating is for those WHO KNOW THE FATHER’S WILL and do not join the church. Only God can see into hearts and know who KNEW and refused to join. And only those get the beating.
“Looks like they’re still in place.”
The Church doesn’t go around handing them out for Internet posts. That’s just insulting.
I never said Catholics should shut up. I merely wonder why this one FReeper posts non-stop, typically in the form of long caucus posts or by making categorical statements sure to provoke, typically without any meaningful interaction or follow-up. None of it feels organic. It’s robotic, rote. In the end what you believe and say here is on you Catholics. Many have sounded the alarm and from time to time I will probably step in and sound it again myself. I don’t do it primarily to change those Catholic FReepers who are dug in, but for those who never comment or read. Or for those who just aren’t sure what to believe.
And be clear, I don’t hate you or any other Catholic, but I do hate your system of religion and all other false religions. Proverbs says to fear the Lord is to hate evil. My disagreements with Rome are too many to list, but the core of the issue is the gospel itself. Romanism is a very real evil because it perverts the saving gospel of Jesus Christ and jeopardizes the souls of men. I know that by speaking out the some will react much as you did and accuse me of hating Catholics. I don’t care. If one single soul is awakened by something I say and begins to search the Scripture for himself it will be worth it. I hope my words cause someone a lot of sleepless nights until they beg the Lord to give them eyes to see and ears to hear. If someone earnestly seeks Him, He will reveal Himself and the way of truth. The truth isn’t hiding. The problem is scarce few ever look.
It is much easier to deceive people than to convince them later that they have been deceived.
That is why some people cannot be disabused of falsehoods such as that the Church didn’t/doesn’t want people to read the Bible, that there is no good reason for maintaining the Latin bible, that only a priest can forgive sin, et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
I hope the incessant repetition of these lies does not result in the loss of the souls involved.
And I’m done.
“I merely wonder why this one FReeper posts non-stop, typically in the form of long caucus posts or by making categorical statements”
It’s been, oh, going on two decades now that this one FReeper’s posts have been a great blessing to me in some very hard times. Many times she has posted something that pointed me straight in the direction of the One Source of help. I am not inclined to hear her criticized.
I’m fairly certain that God looks on her a lot more kindly than on me, and I’d be reluctant to make Him choose between us.
You think you know a lot about Catholicism; the problem is, everything you know is wrong. Catholics here have tried, time and again, to spread some accurate information about the Church, but there is a certain type of person who cannot be dissuaded from error. Speaking for myself, I’m just tired of it.
Don't sink to liberal debate tactics.
Disagreeing with Catholicism does not equate to hating Catholics and if you're going to accuse him of hate, then why don't you provide some examples from his posting history of your claim of *hate*.
So the Catholic church claims, retroactively.
Prove that it’s the church Jesus meant when He made that statement.
I don’t see Jesus saying *Catholic church*.
It's not a falsehood. It's historical fact.
Learn your own history.
Catholics prohibited from owning Scripture
COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.
Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters, Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980 by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195, citing S. R. Maitland, Facts and Documents [illustrative of the history, doctrine and rites, of the ancient Albigenses & Waldenses], London, Rivington, 1832, pp. 192-194.
The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon:
“No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion.” (-D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.)
Once the printing press was invented, the most commonly printed book was the Bible, but this still did not make Bible-reading a Catholic’s common practice. Up until the mid-twentieth Century, the custom of reading the Bible and interpreting it for oneself was a hallmark of the Protestant churches springing up in Europe after the Reformation. Protestants rejected the authority of the Pope and of the Church and showed it by saying people could read and interpret the Bible for themselves. Catholics meanwhile were discouraged from reading Scripture.
Identifying the reading and interpreting of the Bible as “Protestant” even affected the study of Scripture. Until the twentieth Century, it was only Protestants who actively embraced Scripture study. That changed after 1943 when Pope Pius XII issued the encyclical Divino Afflante Spiritu. This not only allowed Catholics to study Scripture, it encouraged them to do so. And with Catholics studying Scripture and teaching other Catholics about what they were studying, familiarity with Scripture grew.
Scripture awareness grew after the Second Vatican Council. Mass was celebrated in the vernacular and so the Scripture readings at Mass were read entirely in English. Adult faith formation programs began to develop, and the most common program run at a parish focused on Scripture study. The Charismatic movement and the rise of prayer groups exposed Catholics to Scripture even more. All of this contributed to Catholics becoming more familiar with the Bible and more interested in reading the Scriptures and praying with them.
http://www.usccb.org/bible/understanding-the-bible/study-materials/articles/changes-in-catholic-attitudes-toward-bible-readings.cfm
Now there you go again with those pesky facts!
“Well, there ya go. Case closed. Mind closed. Catch ya on the flip side.”
Didn’t intend to post on this thread again, but...man...something just occurred to me. When I read the above, I thought, “Does this guy think that he is right about what Catholics believe and every Catholic is wrong?”
That never occurred to me. Here we are, believing X, and this guy not only thinks that we believe Y, but thinks we are wrong to think we believe X, that even though we think we believe X, we actually believe Y.
I almost got a brain hernia trying to wrap my mind around that, but it does explain a good deal of the odd behavior we see here.
Now, I really have to walk away from this near occasion of sin.
Yeah, I know.
What can you do?
Is it more of a case of you wanting to believe what you want in spite of the facts?
Yeah, that’s it. I don’t know enough. It wouldn’t matter if quoted your popes, doctors of the church, Saints, or the catechism (which I have read its entirety), I am sure someone would say I’m wrong. So rather than attempting to prove what I know I’ll simply say I know the gospel and I know enough to know Rome doesn’t have it!
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