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14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.[a] 1 The 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ, will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

They are in Christ but they are dead hence their being called "the Dead in Christ". Or you can call them asleep. But never once does the Holy Spirit give an example of a living saint speaking through prayer to a dead saint in some desperate need for intercession. For examples of that we must look.....elsewhere.

209 posted on 08/10/2016 10:45:06 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.)
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To: DungeonMaster

The saints are alive.

Matthew 27

But Jesus cried out again in a loud voice, and gave up his spirit.
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x And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom.* The earth quaked, rocks were split,
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y tombs were opened, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised.
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And coming forth from their tombs after his resurrection, they entered the holy city and appeared to many.

TALKING WITH GOD AND HIS SAINTS

One of the most important activities for a Catholic is prayer. Without it there can be no true spiritual life. Through personal prayer and the communal prayer of the Church, especially the Mass, we worship and praise God, we express sorrow for our sins, and we intercede on behalf of others (1 Tim. 2:1–4). Through prayer we grow in our relationship with Christ and with members of God’s family (CCC 2663–2696).

This family includes all members of the Church, whether on earth, in heaven, or in purgatory. Since Jesus has only one body, and since death has no power to separate us from Christ (Rom. 8:3–8), Christians who are in heaven or who, before entering heaven, are being purified in purgatory by God’s love (1 Cor. 3:12–15) are still part of the Body of Christ (CCC 962).

Jesus said the second greatest commandment is to “love your neighbor as yourself” (Matt. 22:39). Those in heaven love us more intensely than they ever could have loved us while on earth. They pray for us constantly (Rev. 5:8), and their prayers are powerful (Jas. 5:16, CCC 956, 2683, 2692).

Our prayers to the saints in heaven, asking for their prayers for us, and their intercession with the Father do not undermine Christ’s role as sole Mediator (1 Tim. 2:5). In asking saints in heaven to pray for us we follow Paul’s instructions: “I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for everyone,” for “this is good and pleasing to God our Savior” (1 Tim. 2:1–4).

All members of the Body of Christ are called to help one another through prayer (CCC 2647). Mary’s prayers are especially effective on our behalf because of her relationship with her Son (John 2:1–11).

God gave Mary a special role (CCC 490–511, 963– 975). He saved her from all sin (Luke 1:28, 47), made her uniquely blessed among all women (Luke 1:42), and made her a model for all Christians (Luke 1:48). At the end of her life he took her, body and soul, into heaven—an image of our own resurrection at the end of the world (Rev. 12:1–2).
http://www.catholic.com/documents/pillar-of-fire-pillar-of-truth


241 posted on 08/11/2016 6:43:17 AM PDT by ADSUM
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