Spin Of The Year (Possibly the most heretical seminary in the US is going out of business)

The American Conservative ^ | 07-21-2016 | Rod Dreher

[Mrs. Don-o]

Exactly.

[IrishBrigade]

Martin Luther was a heretic and this is the end results of his fruits

you just had to go there, didn’t you? you had to go and get the antiCatholics all riled up so that this very important topic is hijacked by idiots claiming that Catholics consider the Virgin a diety...

[jafojeffsurf]

Yes, it is Truth and it is the reason things have digressed and will continue to digress even deeper into Darkness. It is Directly Related to this thread.

The first step in correcting Error is to admit that Error. As I put it often, Call Evil into the Light.

God Bless

[IrishBrigade]

Yes, it is Truth

Martin Luther being or not being a heretic has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that seminaries have become cesspools of degradation-and I cannot stress enough how the Catholic schools are guilty as well...

Maybe not to the extent of the Episcopalians, but the typical Catholic seminary of the ‘70’s was putting out all kinds of modernist pap denying the moost venerable tenets of the Deposit of Faith...and proudly reccruiting homosexuals as well...

[ealgeone]

Mrs. d says this is private revelation and no one is under obligation to believe it. You seem to suggest it is truth and is to be believed as fact. You both can’t be right. How ever you both can be wrong.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Logically, this is the kind of direct contradiction (A/ non-A) where one is right and one is wrong. We can't both be wrong, because it can't be both oligatory, and non-obligatory, to believe private revelation: not at the same time, and not in the same manner.

The Catholic Catechism, para 67 (LINK) says private revelation "does not belong to the deposit of faith."

[ealgeone]

It is possible for both of you to be wrong in that the apparitions are false as they advance a means of salvation other than the Gospel.

My point is that one of you says it is private while the other seems to claim otherwise.

[jafojeffsurf]

Listen to the sermon, It discusses what I am pointing out. It is Fact that it Happen. This is not arguable. Now if you wish to not believe in the message that was sent that is your prerogative however the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima and the other apportions did occur, there were witnesses, it was documented, and that are the Facts.

One can deny the fact/s as exampled in the sermon but that just means they are fools, unwilling to accept Known Truth. The example given was the Alamo, were you there? No but you know it happen? Yes, because it did occur, there were witnessed, it was documented, and that are the Facts Note at Fatima there were many, many more witnesses than the Alamo.

God Bless

[ealgeone]

Public Revelation. The Church teaches as de fide (of the Faith) that all that the Father desired to reveal for our salvation has been revealed in His Word, Jesus Christ. The Word communicated this Revelation to His Apostles, who either wrote it down or handed it on (traditio) in their preaching and teaching (1 Cor. 15:1-3, 2 Thes. 2:15). The deposit of the Faith, therefore, is to be found in the twin fountains of Public Revelation, Sacred Scripture and Sacred (Apostolic) Tradition.

For context I've posted the verses you noted though I did post a bit more from 1 Corinthians for context.

1Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. 3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,4and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 NASB

13But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. 14It was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us. 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 NASB

This sure seems to support sola scriptura which is the position advanced by Christianity. All that we need for salvation has been revealed in His Word, Jesus Christ.

The Apostles did not advance anything beyond what we have as the written Word.

These seems to call into question any of the ex-cathedra statements issued by the Pope, especially those concerning Mary, as we seen none of the catholic marian doctrines in the Old or New Testament.

There are no admonitions to pray to mary or to rely upon mary for our salvation as these would contradict the Gospel message especially relying upon Mary for salvation and/or forgiveness of sins. The Word clearly teaches it is only through faith in Christ that we have forgiveness of sins. John especially emphasizes this in his Gospel and 1-3 John. None of the Gospel writers nor Paul, or Peter reference Mary with any capacity or role in our salvation or forgiveness of sins.

There are admonitions against idols of which a lot of catholic churches have one of "mary".

The Mary as recognized by the roman catholic church is not the Mary as found in the NT.

[jafojeffsurf]

“Martin Luther being or not being a heretic has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that seminaries have become cesspools of degradation-and I cannot stress enough how the Catholic schools are guilty as well...”

To the contrary, The error of Martin Luther is that it open a door where many can call themselves christian’s but obviously follow something else, (incomplete Truth, and now to the point of Moral Sins). When Martin Luther broke from the Church it was just the first step into error, now over time error has compounded itself to the point where there other “christian” faiths that are in great error(Mortal Sin).

To your point yes the Catholic Church is being assaulted from inside because it has been weekend drastically (gates of hell at its door) and many inside the Church are in Grave Error, Yet Her Doctrine is still Sound. This too is because there are many Good Christians out there whom should be part of the Church (Body of Christ) yet due to Teaching Errors from years away from the Church and the separation from the Eucharist they are not present to Straighten her. IE “And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.” Mark 3:25(rsv) Remember it was conversation with Satan that help convinced Martin Luther to separate from the Church.

God Bless

[ealgeone]

Because it happened doesn't mean it is the Truth. The message of the apparition must be measured against the Word. When done so it is found to be a false message.

Part of the Fatima message:

"The second reason is because She said to my cousins as well as to myself, that God is giving two last remedies to the world. They are the Holy Rosary and devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. These are the last two remedies which signify that there will be no others.

"The third reason is because in the plans of Divine Providence, God always, before He is about to chastise the world, exhausts all other remedies. Now, when He sees that the world pays no attention whatsoever then, as we say in our imperfect manner of speaking, He offers us with a certain trepidation the last means of salvation, His Most Holy Mother.

http://www.gotquestions.org/lady-fatima.html

The Bible makes it clear that our salvation is only through Christ.

There is no other way to Heaven.

6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:6 NASB

The Greek behind this tells us Jesus is making an emphatic statement that it is only through Him that one gains the Father. There are no exceptions to this. God does not contradict Himself.

[jafojeffsurf]

Recommend if you have not listen to him, Mike Church (and the other shows) and Veritas Radio, Well worth a little of your time:

Helping show the path back to God and a Moral people: http://veritasradionetwork.com/

Know this:
Return to God, a Moral people and Christendom! Anything Else if for Not! When you see the reunification of Christians into the One True Faith the Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church the End to the Darkness will be Assured... Until then PRAY for All the Lost Souls!

God Bless

Note: On Sundays there are only Sermons all day long, but you can sample any of their shows from the last week at least by scrolling down the page.

[jafojeffsurf]

May God Bless you ealgeone.

Let me know if or when your Heart, Mind, and Soul Change. Until then I can do nothing for you.

I will continue to pray for your Soul.

[ealgeone]

I will not be praying to Mary or relying upon Mary for my salvation if that is what you mean. That is a false doctrine put forth by roman catholicism.

If you continue to rely upon Mary for the above there is nothing that can be done for you.

[cloudmountain]

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Isaiah 5:20

Amen.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Ealgeone, you set this up as if Mary is a rival or alternative to Christ. This is not the case. Mary brings people to Christ. She bears Christ to them, because she is the Mother of the Incarnation. She manifests Him to them as the did to the shepherds and kings. She urges people, "Do whatever He tells you." She bears witness to her Son at the foot of the Cross. ---- in other words, she is an evangelizer.

The Rosary, for example, is a series of meditations on the Life of Christ.

Once you realize this, the whole bogus thesis which pits Mary against Christ, collapses.

[trisham]

Amen to that, Mrs. D.

[trisham]

Great show. They spend every moment making fun of liberals.

[ealgeone]

No, it is the RCC that has set up Mary as a rival or alternative to Christ.

The RCC calls Mary Advocate, Co-Redemtrix and Mediatrix when these are not found in the NT in reference to Mary. These titles are reserved for Christ and the Holy Spirit as Redeemer, Advocate and Mediator.

Too many catholic writers have made it clear the catholic is to rely upon Mary for their salvation, answered prayers when Jesus won't answer, forgiveness of sins, etc. when there is nothing in the NT that indicates we are to pray to Mary or rely upon her for salvation, forgiveness of sins, etc.

Catholics like to hold up the apparitions of Fatima and the other marian apparitions until the details of these are brought to light and then the catholic likes to cite private revelation and that the catholic is not under obligation to believe the messages.

The Christian understands this and rejects this false narrative of Mary as promulgated by the RCC.

[cloudmountain]

God made the world but Rev. Ragsdale made it better.

She certainly made it better for Episcopalian lesbian ministers.
I wonder what Henry VIII would have had to say about her and her ilk.