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To: Mark17
I disagree bro. I believe it. I just don't believe your interpretation of it. Even when I was a Catholic, so many decades ago, I didn't believe your interpretation. I thought it looked and tasted like a piece of bread, which is exactly what it is. Now that I am an ex Catholic, I still disagree with your interpretation. It doesn't matter anyway. You told me yourself that I didn't need any of the sacraments. That is 100% correct. That is the only time I have ever agreed with you, and probably will be the last time. I am not into salvation by works. My opinion is, that you are. That's on you bro, but I have no intention of trying to bluff my way into Heaven. Maybe YOU do, but it ain't gonna cut the mustard. Sad.

Of coarse you disagree, Catholicism has only been around for 2,016 years while the Navigators Have been here for about 80 years trying to straighten things out.....sigh.....

Don't you remember Catechism 101 where you were taught that the Eucharist was the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus UNDER THE APPEARANCE OF BREAD AND WINE??????

Of course it looks like and tastes like bread and wine.....but it is exactly what Christ said it was.....you know it, but you are still trying your best to justify an extraordinarily poor decision on your part.....won't work!

651 posted on 08/13/2016 8:58:50 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL)
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To: terycarl; imardmd1; MHGinTN; metmom; boatbums
Catholicism has only been around for 2,016 years while the Navigators Have been here for about 80 years trying to straighten things out.....

I don't care if it's been around 40,000 years, but I do agree with you, in that the RCC has made such a mess of things, that it will take the Navigators, and other true believers, a lot more than 80 years to straighten out the mess.

Don't you remember Catechism 101 where you were taught that the Eucharist was the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus UNDER THE APPEARANCE OF BREAD AND WINE??????

I vaguely remember something like that, but I really didn't pay any attention. I was only interested in going out and playing hockey after class. I didn't really want to be there anyway. I didn't believe it then, I don't believe it now.

Of course it looks like and tastes like bread and wine.....but it is exactly what Christ said it was.....you know it, but you are still trying your best to justify an extraordinarily poor decision on your part.....won't work!

It already works. I don't have to bluff my way into Heaven, like other people. I won't mention any names, but the guilty parties know who they are. I'll tell you what won't work, is false religionists going about trying to establish their own righteousness. That's what won't work. I won't mention which false religionists, but the guilty parties know who they are.
Besides bro, you told me yourself, that the sacraments are not necessary. I agree with that, so I don't do them. If you do, that's on you.

653 posted on 08/13/2016 9:46:50 PM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forevermore endure.)
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To: terycarl; Mark17; imardmd1; MHGinTN; metmom; boatbums
Of course it looks like and tastes like bread and wine.....but it is exactly what Christ said it was.....

Not if you take it purely literal, for "he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you," (Lk. 22:19) does not say it still looked like and tastes like bread, nor does "This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you," say that the contents looked like and tastes like wine. And what He does say is that what He have them was His body and shed blood, and which body and blood certainly was not some metaphysical entity that would not look, taste and scientifically test as real flesh and blood.

Such a crucified Christ is more Gnostic than Christian, and denies that Christ manifestly came in the flesh. Thus if "This is my body which is given for you," "my blood, which is shed for you" is to be taken purely literal, then it would have to be the very tangible, manifestly incarnated Christ "which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life." (1 John 1:1)

But instead, Catholicism construes the "my body which is given for you," my blood, which is shed for you" into some mysterious metaphysical form that is nowhere seen in Scripture but instead takes Greek philosophy to explain.

Even the Lord's resurrected body manifestly was flesh, as Thomas found, which was before false teaching made Christ into an entity that would not look, taste and scientifically test as real flesh and blood, and which entity is to be physically literally consumed in order to obtain spiritual life. And which is utterly foreign in the totality of Scripture interpretive of the gospels.

665 posted on 08/15/2016 6:54:09 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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