The New Testament, as we know it, didn't come into being until almost 300 years after Christ's death.
http://www.gotquestions.org/canon-Bible.html
For the New Testament, the process of the recognition and collection began in the first centuries of the Christian church.
Very early on, some of the New Testament books were being recognized.
**Paul considered Luke’s writings to be as authoritative as the Old Testament (1 Timothy 5:18; see also Deuteronomy 25:4 and Luke 10:7).
**Peter recognized Paul’s writings as Scripture (2 Peter 3:15-16).
Some of the books of the New Testament were being circulated among the churches (Colossians 4:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:27).
Clement of Rome mentioned at least eight New Testament books (A.D. 95). Ignatius of Antioch acknowledged about seven books (A.D. 115).
Polycarp, a disciple of John the apostle, acknowledged 15 books (A.D. 108).
Later, Irenaeus mentioned 21 books (A.D. 185). Hippolytus recognized 22 books (A.D. 170-235).
*The New Testament books receiving the most controversy were Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 John, and 3 John.
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https://discovercatholic.wordpress.com/11-2/where-did-we-get-the-bible/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_New_Testament_canon
There are many, many more sites regarding the writing of the New Testament. It sure wasn't done by defrocked Father Martin Luther in the 16th century. The New Testament had been around for 1500 years+ before Protestantism arrived.
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My Protestant friend in Texas (Baptist turned Presbyterian) and I compared Bibles. There ARE some differences, not many, but they do exist. Neither of us thought that the differences were insurmountable to the New Testament or to Jesus' command to us: Love God and love each other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations
The above is a site which has the plethora of different Christian denominations, outside of Catholicism. I thought it was a most interesting read. I've done it before...and it's still interesting.
F.Y.I.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism
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Are there "Catholic" denominations?
Before ascending into Heaven, Jesus only founded one Church and said to St. Peter that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church with Peter and his successors overseeing it.
There was one Church back in 33 A.D.; and there is one Church today.
They are not denominations as the Catholic Church has no denominations. We are the one Church that Jesus founded on St. Peter and His successors.
There are many rites within the Catholic Church (ways of worshiping), and many churches sui iuris (according to the law) — such as:
*Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church
*Melkite Greek-Catholic Church
*Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
*Syro-Malankara Catholic Church
*Chaldean Catholic Church
*Coptic Catholic Church, and
*Armenian Catholic Church
Their theology is exactly the same. All the priests of those different RITES still have the authority to say the words where God changes bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus.
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We had a slight "change" in the Mass just last month.
After the Consecration there is a prayer said:
"Remember our brothers sisters who have fallen asleep in the hope of the resurrection, and all who have died in your mercy;
welcome them into the light of your face,
Have mercy on us all, we pray, that with the blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, [ADDED: with St. Joseph her blessed spouse], with the blessed Apostles, and all the Saints who have...".and so on.
So SOME things can change in the rite, nothing else.
**So SOME things can change in the rite, nothing else.**
Change?
If partaking of the mass gives eternal life, then why is it taken over and over and over?
If once gives eternal life, then there is no more need to partake.
If it wears off, does one know when it wears off?
The conversion instructions found in Acts 2:38,39 has no mention of the mass.
“The New Testament, as we know it, didn’t come into being until almost 300 years after Christ’s death.”
It may have not been put together as we read it today as one Bible, but the writings were alive and well from the 1st century. I won’t address your ramblings of the next few paragraphs as they have no merit or make no sense in the debate.
“There are many, many more sites regarding the writing of the New Testament. It sure wasn’t done by defrocked Father Martin Luther in the 16th century. The New Testament had been around for 1500 years+ before Protestantism arrived.”
And it wasn’t done by RC’s either it was given to us by the Jew and the Jew only.
“defrocked Father Martin Luther”
Praise God it probably saved his soul, but our God is good at making sweet lemonade out of the most sour lemons. When you RC’s are out of ammo you always can be counted on to bring up a dead man kind of like you like to pray to dead Biblical figures.
I personally never knew M.L. nor have I ever been Lutheran, so your dig or whatever you think it does has no merit or concern of mine. I study the Holy Word of God and the Holy Spirit of God leads me to His Truths.
“Polycarp, a disciple of John the apostle, acknowledged 15 books (A.D. 108).
Later, Irenaeus mentioned 21 books (A.D. 185). Hippolytus recognized 22 books (A.D. 170-235).”
I love how you RC’s always bring up these guys as proof of the “Truth”, but you do know that liars and deceivers were there from the beginning like Judas Iscariot. If any of these disagree with Scripture then they are just another false Prophet.
“Before ascending into Heaven, Jesus only founded one Church and said to St. Peter that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church with Peter and his successors overseeing it.”
Jesus doesn’t need secretary’s and Peter wasn’t a secretary, but he was a faithful servant just as the other Apostles where. We know that Peter had the Spiritual Gift of Exhortation, but I don’t recall popeism being a Spiritual Gift.
Colossians 1:18 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
18 And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he may hold the primacy:
Cloud if you where born again like Scripture says that you must be you wouldn’t need a pope to guide you on earth, but the vicar on earth would be the Holy Spiirt of God living inside you 24/7. The only reason you feel the need for a master pope is you don’t have that Holy Spirit guiding you and that is why you feel so lost and without guidance.
“There was one Church back in 33 A.D.; and there is one Church today.
They are not denominations as the Catholic Church has no denominations. We are the one Church that Jesus founded on St. Peter and His successors.”
Lets break this comment down... one Church in 33 A.D.
Well the book of Revelation says there were at least 7 Church’s, so right off we know that you are your assumptions are wrong. So we have a dilemma to work through.
One is that all seven Church’s were RC and only one was right, but six are doomed. With that being said so not all used the same doctrine because not all are equal. We know they didn’t use the same dogma or “mass” as some are so wrong that Jesus pukes/spits them out of his mouth. That can only mean that there were seven different independent Church’s of the time with one being possibly RC.
It’s pretty easy to figure which one is RC and which ones are Prot. There is only one that claims to be Christian and that church worships a female deity just like the Church of Thyatira.
“Their theology is exactly the same. All the priests of those different RITES still have the authority to say the words where God changes bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus.”
Next is you claim there is no split, but why are there different rites and a Eastern Orthodox if you are all on the same sheet of music? You are not are there wouldn’t be any split, nice try.
“changes bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus.”
Poor Jesus he’s so tired of being crucified over and over. I think I remember Him saying “It is Finished” and He sat down.
FYI Satan doesn’t have denominations either and he’s united in destruction, so being one united religion isn’t and indication of being right.
“So SOME things can change in the rite, nothing else.”
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D
How is it that a Prot knows your religion better than you do? Your religion has changed so many times in the last 1700 years that you don’t have a clue what is real or fake.
The Church of Thyatira better known as the RCC is doomed to a bed of suffering read it for yourself and run. You have been warned of the coming wrath save yourself and your family while you can.