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The Catholic Mass, as described by Justin Martyr in the year 155
Aletelial ^ | July 19, 2016 | Daniel Esparza

Posted on 07/19/2016 2:43:06 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 07/19/2016 2:43:06 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 07/19/2016 2:43:40 PM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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To: NYer

Great video. Thank you so much.


3 posted on 07/19/2016 2:58:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
At the conclusion of communion in the Maronite Church, after any remaining hosts have been placed in the Tabernacle, everyone remains standing while the celebrant blesses the congregation with the other half of his host, saying:

We render always glory and thanksgiving to you, O Lord, for giving us Your body to eat and Your blood to drink. O Lover of all people, have mercy on us.

4 posted on 07/19/2016 3:20:57 PM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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To: NYer

Bookmark


5 posted on 07/19/2016 3:26:42 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: NYer

The haters of Catholics will be here soon.


6 posted on 07/19/2016 3:35:53 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: NYer

The teaching of the Twelve may or may not be apostolic, but it is certainly very ancient. It has detailed instructions as to the conduct of a “communal prayer gathering,” that includes Friday (and Wednesday!) fasts, fasting before receiving communion, restricting the service to members, readings, gospel, homilies and eucharist, etc.

The Liturgy of St Mark is named after St. Mark the Evangelist, first century Bishop of Alexandria. In the fourth century, it was translated into Coptic (Egyptian) as the use of Greek as a lingua franca declined. While there may be certain minor changes and innovations prior to the 7th century, this liturgy is the same today as it was then.

Were the changes that central? There are Coptic churches which reject Sunday worship yet still uses the Liturgy of St. Mark! Further, the Orthodox Church refers to the liturgy in Coptic as the Liturgy of St. Cyril, referring to the 4th-century because they were so concerned that every word be preserved perfectly that they dare not name a translation for the original work!


7 posted on 07/19/2016 3:37:03 PM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer
Very nice. Dr. Brant Pitre does a great job of connecting the Jewish tabernacle and rituals to the Catholic mass. It's absolutely mind blowing, figuratively of course😊
8 posted on 07/19/2016 3:41:27 PM PDT by goodwithagun (March 3, 2016: The date FReepers justified the "goodness" of Planned Parenthood.)
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To: jacknhoo

What they say about Catholicism says more about their own faith than it does about Catholicism.


9 posted on 07/19/2016 3:43:03 PM PDT by goodwithagun (March 3, 2016: The date FReepers justified the "goodness" of Planned Parenthood.)
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To: NYer
I was lector today for a funeral Mass for a parishioner whose family, in attendance, was all Protestant. It was a very simple funeral, but distinctively Catholic": incense, the Easter Candle, the draping of the coffin with the symbolic baptismal garment, no eulogy, the homily being about the readings. And the Gospel Reading was from John 6, the Bread of Life Discourse. A Communion time, our little choir sang Pan-is Angelicus.

The whole thing made me so happy to be a Catholic. The whole thing was so serenely beautiful and meaningful.

God has given us so much, God has given us Himself.

10 posted on 07/19/2016 4:38:53 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the Truth." - 1 Timothy 3:15)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Amen. Let us remember that Christ loves ALL of us! Even BLM and ISIS members. Pray for their convesion and salvation.


11 posted on 07/19/2016 5:38:31 PM PDT by Jim Pelosi
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To: NYer

Straight from the horses mouth.

Great post! Thanks.


12 posted on 07/19/2016 6:13:17 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (The Confederate Flag is the new "N" word.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I don’t know if this is one of the areas outside your GGG list, but it should at least interest you.


13 posted on 07/19/2016 6:27:46 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jim Pelosi

Rxactly, Jim. Tagline.


14 posted on 07/19/2016 6:28:33 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy)
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To: NYer
"The Church in corruption is one of Satan's infernal powers!

Savonarola 18 March 1498.

15 posted on 07/19/2016 7:28:09 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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Well, seeing as no one is acting the way y'all think, I believe it says more about someone's faith when they presume another's motives for disagreeing with them. I wonder why you don't discuss your discomfort about OPEN Religion Forum threads with the ones who actually POST them rather than those who read and join in the dialog? People can disagree and not be "hateful".

For the record, I think there are quite a few differences between what modern Catholicism believes about the "Mass" versus what contemporaries of Justin Martyr believed in the second century. A lot has been "developed" over the centuries in Catholic theology and there is a curious lack of Scriptural warrant for much of it. Church leaders like Irenaeus spoke about the "rule of faith":

Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1:10:1-2

    1. The Church, though dispersed through our the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: [She believes] in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His [future] manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father “to gather all things in one,” and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, “every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess” to Him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all; that He may send “spiritual wickednesses,”and the angels who transgressed and became apostates, together with the ungodly, and unrighteous, and wicked, and profane among men, into everlasting fire; but may, in the exercise of His grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept His commandments, and have persevered in His love, some from the beginning [of their Christian course], and others from [the date of] their repentance, and may surround them with everlasting glory.

    2. As I have already observed, the Church, having received this preaching and this faith, although scattered throughout the whole world, yet, as if occupying but one house, carefully preserves it. She also believes these points [of doctrine] just as if she had but one soul, and one and the same heart, and she proclaims them, and teaches them, and hands them down, with perfect harmony, as if she possessed only one mouth. For, although the languages of the world are dissimilar, yet the import of the tradition is one and the same. For the Churches which have been planted in Germany do not believe or hand down anything different, nor do those in Spain, nor those in Gaul, nor those in the East, nor those in Egypt, nor those in Libya, nor those which have been established in the central regions of the world. But as the sun, that creature of God, is one and the same throughout the whole world, so also the preaching of the truth shineth everywhere, and enlightens all men that are willing to come to a knowledge of the truth. Nor will any one of the rulers in the Churches, however highly gifted he may be in point of eloquence, teach doctrines different from these (for no one is greater than the Master); nor, on the other hand, will he who is deficient in power of expression inflict injury on the tradition. For the faith being ever one and the same, neither does one who is able at great length to discourse regarding it, make any addition to it, nor does one, who can say but little diminish it.

So, here am I, almost two thousand years later, AGREEING with them because I know my faith is built on the same person of Jesus Christ, the same Divine revelation and rule of faith as theirs.

16 posted on 07/19/2016 7:44:54 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“Straight from the horses mouth.”

I’m not debating whether his words are right or wrong, but I find it very distributing that you think that straight from the horses mouth came 120 years after Christ died. This is the prime example of why you can’t trust tradition because it changes, but the Scripture has remained the same whether RC or Prot or Jew for the OT.

You do realize that traitors to the Gospel were there from the very beginning, I’m thinking Judas Iscariot and he was just the beginning.

Colossians 2:8 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

8 Beware lest any man cheat you by philosophy, and vain deceit; according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ:

2 Peter 2:1 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

2 Peter 3:16 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

2 Corinthians 11:13 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

13 For such false apostles are deceitful workmen, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Galatians 2:4 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

4 But because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privately to spy our liberty, which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into servitude.

Matthew 7:15
Ephesians 5:6
1 Timothy 6:20
Philippians 3:2
Mark 12:38


17 posted on 07/19/2016 8:45:44 PM PDT by mrobisr ( so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow)
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To: NYer
The Mass has always been a "work in progess" in some ways but the essential "holy meal" has stayed the same for 2000 years.

Our Mass added something quite recently adding "and St. Joseph, her blessed spouse" to the prayer.

18 posted on 07/19/2016 9:34:08 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Panis Angelicus, a BEAUTIFUL song.
I remember hearing Luciano Pavarotti sing it. WONderful.
19 posted on 07/19/2016 9:36:49 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NYer

Thanks.


20 posted on 07/20/2016 1:47:58 AM PDT by Ray76 (The evil effect of Obergefell is to deprive the people of rule of law & subject us to tyranny!)
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