Posted on 07/19/2016 2:43:06 PM PDT by NYer
Catholic ping!
Great video. Thank you so much.
We render always glory and thanksgiving to you, O Lord, for giving us Your body to eat and Your blood to drink. O Lover of all people, have mercy on us.
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The haters of Catholics will be here soon.
The teaching of the Twelve may or may not be apostolic, but it is certainly very ancient. It has detailed instructions as to the conduct of a “communal prayer gathering,” that includes Friday (and Wednesday!) fasts, fasting before receiving communion, restricting the service to members, readings, gospel, homilies and eucharist, etc.
The Liturgy of St Mark is named after St. Mark the Evangelist, first century Bishop of Alexandria. In the fourth century, it was translated into Coptic (Egyptian) as the use of Greek as a lingua franca declined. While there may be certain minor changes and innovations prior to the 7th century, this liturgy is the same today as it was then.
Were the changes that central? There are Coptic churches which reject Sunday worship yet still uses the Liturgy of St. Mark! Further, the Orthodox Church refers to the liturgy in Coptic as the Liturgy of St. Cyril, referring to the 4th-century because they were so concerned that every word be preserved perfectly that they dare not name a translation for the original work!
What they say about Catholicism says more about their own faith than it does about Catholicism.
The whole thing made me so happy to be a Catholic. The whole thing was so serenely beautiful and meaningful.
God has given us so much, God has given us Himself.
Amen. Let us remember that Christ loves ALL of us! Even BLM and ISIS members. Pray for their convesion and salvation.
Straight from the horses mouth.
Great post! Thanks.
I don’t know if this is one of the areas outside your GGG list, but it should at least interest you.
Rxactly, Jim. Tagline.
Savonarola 18 March 1498.
For the record, I think there are quite a few differences between what modern Catholicism believes about the "Mass" versus what contemporaries of Justin Martyr believed in the second century. A lot has been "developed" over the centuries in Catholic theology and there is a curious lack of Scriptural warrant for much of it. Church leaders like Irenaeus spoke about the "rule of faith":
Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1:10:1-2
2. As I have already observed, the Church, having received this preaching and this faith, although scattered throughout the whole world, yet, as if occupying but one house, carefully preserves it. She also believes these points [of doctrine] just as if she had but one soul, and one and the same heart, and she proclaims them, and teaches them, and hands them down, with perfect harmony, as if she possessed only one mouth. For, although the languages of the world are dissimilar, yet the import of the tradition is one and the same. For the Churches which have been planted in Germany do not believe or hand down anything different, nor do those in Spain, nor those in Gaul, nor those in the East, nor those in Egypt, nor those in Libya, nor those which have been established in the central regions of the world. But as the sun, that creature of God, is one and the same throughout the whole world, so also the preaching of the truth shineth everywhere, and enlightens all men that are willing to come to a knowledge of the truth. Nor will any one of the rulers in the Churches, however highly gifted he may be in point of eloquence, teach doctrines different from these (for no one is greater than the Master); nor, on the other hand, will he who is deficient in power of expression inflict injury on the tradition. For the faith being ever one and the same, neither does one who is able at great length to discourse regarding it, make any addition to it, nor does one, who can say but little diminish it.
So, here am I, almost two thousand years later, AGREEING with them because I know my faith is built on the same person of Jesus Christ, the same Divine revelation and rule of faith as theirs.
“Straight from the horses mouth.”
I’m not debating whether his words are right or wrong, but I find it very distributing that you think that straight from the horses mouth came 120 years after Christ died. This is the prime example of why you can’t trust tradition because it changes, but the Scripture has remained the same whether RC or Prot or Jew for the OT.
You do realize that traitors to the Gospel were there from the very beginning, I’m thinking Judas Iscariot and he was just the beginning.
Colossians 2:8 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
8 Beware lest any man cheat you by philosophy, and vain deceit; according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ:
2 Peter 2:1 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 3:16 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.
2 Corinthians 11:13 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
13 For such false apostles are deceitful workmen, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
Galatians 2:4 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
4 But because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privately to spy our liberty, which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into servitude.
Matthew 7:15
Ephesians 5:6
1 Timothy 6:20
Philippians 3:2
Mark 12:38
Our Mass added something quite recently adding "and St. Joseph, her blessed spouse" to the prayer.
Thanks.
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