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To: CTrent1564

I suspect the SBC is seeing declining baptisms and membership because:

“... The wind blows where it likes, you can hear the sound of it but you have no idea where it comes from and where it goes. Nor can you tell how a man is born by the wind of the Spirit.”

I believe God is abandoning America because America (on the whole) has renounced and rejected Him. I don’t see any sign my fellow Baptists are becoming more liberal, either politically or ethically. But if God is withdrawing His Spirit from America, then no Bible-based church will stem the tide!

On the Calvinist vs Arminian angle, I did leave a Calvinist SBC church after asking if it would be heresy to wear a T-shirt saying “Jesus loves you!” when, theologically, they were saying Jesus did NOT love most of the people. I suggested the church buy some T-shirts saying, “God probably doesn’t love you, but just in case he does...”


51 posted on 07/08/2016 7:28:04 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of infants, ruled by their emotion)
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Mr. Rogers:

I don’t disagree. God allows things to happen, the OT shows that. When the Jewish people abandoned God (God did not revoke His Covenant with them), their homeland was overrun by invaders.

We in the U.S. are being overrun by lawlessness, crime, etc.


54 posted on 07/08/2016 7:42:07 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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Mr Rogers:

I also agree with on the Jesus Loves you vs. Jesus probably did NOT love most people.

The latter view is problematic sense God by His very nature is Love, that is the Father eternally loves the Son, the Son responds by loving the Father and the bond of Love between Father and Son is the Holy Spirit. So God Loves because it is His Divine Nature. Christ loved even his enemies while on the Cross.

So I agree with your rejection of “Jesus did NOT love most of the people” position.


55 posted on 07/08/2016 7:46:01 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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