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To: Edward.Fish
I have added nothing but you have dodged much.

The key point in Acts 15 was that the new believers could not learn Torah in a weekend.

For that reason they stated the minimum needed to keep out of trouble, since they were expected to be hearing Moses read every Sabbath day, where they would come up to speed in much the same way that the House of Judah had in their youth.

Grace is the writing of Torah on our hearts, so that the keeping of commandments is our desire (back to Romans 2).

[12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
[14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

They did include the Sabbath as essential. Read Acts 15!

[19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
[20] But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
[21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

More importantly Yeshua called Torah as a whole essential for all, until the Earth and Heavens pass away (Mat 5)

[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

73 posted on 07/07/2016 2:27:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
> I have added nothing but you have dodged much.

You are ignoring the salient conclusion Peter gave:
Now therefore why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.

> The key point in Acts 15 was that the new believers could not learn Torah in a weekend.

No, it’s not… but that’s not in question here.

> For that reason they stated the minimum needed to keep out of trouble, since they were expected to be hearing Moses read every Sabbath day, where they would come up to speed in much the same way that the House of Judah had in their youth.

Look at what Peter said:
Now therefore why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear?

Look at what the scripture says:
For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to impose on you no further burden than these essentials: […]

By placing the Torah into the list of necessities you ARE putting God to the test by “placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear.”

Thus you have added.
I’ll speak plainly here: you are acting against God’s Holy Spirit by requiring the Law (Torah; adherence thereunto implied) as a necessity, indeed you are testifying that Jesus’s work on the cross is insufficient and indeed inferior to the Law. But the Law does not save, it can only condemn. It is in the scriptures, plainly:

Galatians 5:4 — “You who want to be justified by the law have cut yourselves off from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”
Romans 8:3 — “For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,”
Galatians 3:21,22 — “Is the law then opposed to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could make alive, then righteousness would indeed come through the law. But the scripture has imprisoned all things under the power of sin, so that what was promised through faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.”

74 posted on 07/07/2016 2:57:22 PM PDT by Edward.Fish
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