"Mary is therefore not the mother source of The Pre-existing God."
Every word you wrote in the above line is true, if you substitute the word "source" for "mother."
Mary is not the SOURCE of the pre-existing God. That's for sure.
So read through your whole list and substitute the word "Source" for "Mother," sharpening up the distinction between "person" and "nature,"and you've got it!
She's the natural (not surrogate!) mother of the God-Man precisely because birth-giver conceives, gestates, and gives birth to a Person, not to a "part."
- Jesus is the God-man.
- Mary is the source only of His human nature.
- The Divine nature and Divine Person of the God-man Jesus pre-existed Mary (for all eternity!!).
- Mary pre-existed the human nature of Jesus.
- Therefore, Mary is the natural source of the human nature of the God-man, the divine Person Jesus, but not the source of the Divine Person and divine nature of the God-man Jesus.
- Because of the Incarnation, through Mary, God experienced every aspect of what it means to be human: including being an unborn baby, and being born.
- Mary is therefore His mother (but not His source) in that through her --- at a point in time --- He, the omni-present, eternal One who existed before time began, had the experience of birth
Because of the Incarnation, the eternally pre-existing GOD also had the experience of birth the experience of assuming a human nature and living as an embryo, living and growing inside of His mother, and being pushed out of the womb into the air-breathing world, having his umbilical cord cut, nursing on her mama-milk, being cuddled in her loving arms, etc.etc.
She was not his source. But she gave Him that experience, because He was a Person having an experience.
Otherwise you're denying that the divine and human natures of Christ are united in One Person, and you're instead saying they constitute two "persons," one of whom has experiences and one of whom does not. Do you see the problem here?
Because of the Incarnation, the one Person experienced what it is to be born; to grow; to live truly as a baby, a child, a man; to eat and sleep; to sweat and suffer; to die and be buried; to experience Resurrection and Ascension into heaven.
He who was, is, and always be in heaven, because He is omni-present.
This is not to say "God grew" or "God died," but it is to say He experienced all this ---the growth of the body, the dying of the body--- as one Person.
Jesus Christ, (the Word, the Second Person of the Trinity, the eternal, omnipotent, only-begotten Son who is limitless and is everywhere and knows everything) has two natures. But he *IS* only one Person. And it is the Person who chooses, desires, experiences, acts.
Jesus, the God-Man, is one Person, He experienced everything we experience. It is written that He even experienced temptation, but without sin.
Nor is the the mother of the pre-existing God.
She is not the mother of deity.
She’s the mother of JESUS, the incarnation of God.
*Mother of Jesus* tells us that.
*Mother of God* tells us she’s the mother/source of the pre-existing God.
*Mother of Jesus* is the title given her by the Holy Spirit HIMSELF. God saw fit to identify her that way. And man presumes to improve upon that to *correct* error?
Doesn’t work.
What’s needed to correct error is not more error, but correct teaching from authoritative Scripture.
MrsD: Every word you wrote in the above line is true, . . .
Answers to MrsD Part 1:
I think you'd have been wiser to just leave the issue there, without persisting in writing error.
MrsD: . . . if you substitute the word "source" . . .
The word "source" does not appear in the AV at all, but it does in the DRB in 2 Chron. 32:30, and in the Darby Bible at 2 Kings 2:21, both referring to thevery beginning of a watercouse; all reffering to a sping. Jehovah Elohim is the source of Mary's DNA, of Mary's flesh and blood, not vice versa. All of The God possible was present at Jesus' conception, and He was at that time sentient. How does one know that? From Scripture, of course:
"Wherefore when he cometh* into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou
wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared** me:
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Then said I, Lo, I come*** (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O
God" (Heb. 10:5-7 AV; * εἰσέρχομαι eiserchomai, to enter; ** καταρτίζω
katartidzo, to be made perfect and complete, here by The God; *** ἥκω hēkō, to arrive
and be present intimately).
All of Jesus body was prepared entirely by God alone as the source, Mary not participating, according to this passage. I assert that it was His body completed in the first human cell implanted by the Holy Ghost into Mary's uterus, to which process she was willing to submit, and bring the gestation of that cell to full completion. Mary was not the "source" of that cell, God was.
MrsD: . . . for "mother."
No, Mary could not be the provider of sinless life for, despite the theories of false prophets, only Jehovah Elohim could be the Creator of everlasting life. Mary's DNA was just like every one elses, a derivative only of that which was in Adam, the fallen federal head of all mankind. Because of that, it bore the taint of sin and death. we know this, because scripture says so:
"For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive" (1Co 15:21,22 AV). MrsD, "all" here means all. Mary had to die because of sin and sins in her body. Jesus had to die because of sin and sins in His body. There is no immaculate conception of Mary, no sinless life, no assumption. Her body is still in the grave, to be resurrected at the last trumpet sound for the Age of Grace.
However, there is no reason she could not establish residence and gestation and birth experience to the Second Adam, providing the nutriments and care of the Jesus' one-celled body, filled with all His Spirit, which was implanted in Mary's womb by the Holy Ghost, by her obedient permission, and she thus gave birth to the sinless Man of Sorrow, Emmanuel (Is. 7:14; Mt.1:23,28:20) the Messiach, to be named Jesus (Joshua, actually in Hebrew).
Mary was the intimate surrogate host mother of the preformed prepared body of Jesus, no more and no less, thus living out the favor bestowed upon her by The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and David.
End of Part 1.