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To: MHGinTN
Your failure to engage with the historic meaning of "Theotokos," recognized for 1500+ years by the majority of Chriztians throughout the world as an accurate term in the light of Mary's maternal role, makes this discussion futile.

You constantly accuse me of "word games," but it is you who take the position that literally billions of Christians for almost two millennia had not known the meaning of their own words!! --- or that they use their own words wrongly,and only you use them right.

If you can't grasp the vocabulary derived from the Council of Ephesus, or the polemical context of Ephesus, you are not prepared to competently discuss Theotokos/Mother of God.

I'll leave at at that Any more laps around this particular track would be a waste of my time.

123 posted on 06/19/2016 1:57:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
...derived from the Council of Ephesus...

You Catholics can keep youur derivin' stuff.

I; for one; will read the book you produced.

220 posted on 06/20/2016 10:00:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Mary is the maternal parent, (human genetic and gestational source) from whom Jesus' body is derived; and she gave Him birth.

That Mary gave birth to the baby is scripturally and undeniably true. What you absolutely have no foundation for is that any part of her flesh or blood comprised any part of the human body of Jesus.

It is, of course, the ignorant imaginations of arrogant men that presumed Jesus to be of Mary's flesh, thus needing the explanation of her flesh being immaculate (a non-sctiptural term) and therefore she was immaculately must have been conceived in her mother's womb somehow, thus merely pushing the problem back one generation without giving a true and unarguable explanation.

This is all, of course, nonsense. Truly humble men of God of earlier days would have merely said then, "I don't know how this was done, but since Mary's flesh was just as sin-tainted as all the rest of creation after The Fall, I'll just believe that God has a way, and He has not yet explained it to mankind, as to how the babe Jesus would be free of sin or sinfulness.

There is another explanation however, unimaginable up until recent years, that permits Jesus flesh and blood to be completely human yet perfect and without sin, as was Adam's before The Fall, yet none of it originating with Mary, His human-surrogate host mother.

So, in your utter Biblical brilliance, tell me how Jehovah Elohim made Adam, with the Y chromosome and the X chromosome, before Eve came into being, a woman without the Y chromosome in any cell of her body. Eve was not the genetic mother of Adam, and likewise Mary was, in my estimate, not the genetic origin of the flesh and blood of Jesus.

Your Catholic informers cannot explain that, and neither can you, eh?

384 posted on 06/22/2016 1:21:35 AM PDT by imardmd1 (The LORD says: "I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire" Is. 54:16)
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