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To: JAKraig
I personally find these statements illogical. I don't see how Christ could be begotten AND be eternal, I believe the terms eternal and begotten are mutually exclusive.

The Word, or Son, is eternally begotten. The terms are not mutually exclusive.

You are not entitled to believe that the terms "eternal" and "begotten" are mutually exclusive, because you are not the arbiter of what the words mean.

42 posted on 05/24/2016 11:28:40 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

You are not entitled to believe that the terms “eternal” and “begotten” are mutually exclusive, because you are not the arbiter of what the words mean.

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The definition of eternal:

“without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing”

The definition of begotten:

“Something is begotten when it’s been generated by procreation — in other words, it’s been fathered”

Christ referred to God many times as His Father. You can’t have “no beginning” if you have a Father. Christ says He is the Alpha and the Omega, or from the Alpha to the Omega, the beginning and the end. With God The Father there is no beginning, certainly at least in time, yet for Christ there is and He says so in His own words.

So, while I can believe anything I want that does not make it so, but the dictionary makes the terms mutually exclusive.


45 posted on 05/24/2016 11:38:25 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; dragonblustar; ...
You are not entitled to believe that the terms "eternal" and "begotten" are mutually exclusive, because you are not the arbiter of what the words mean.

Hold that thought.....

287 posted on 05/30/2016 4:11:40 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
You are not entitled to believe that the terms "eternal" and "begotten" are mutually exclusive, because you are not the arbiter of what the words mean.

Which is absurd, even if one is in error regarding what he believes. Besides the Scripturally untenable position that the historical magisterial stewards of Scripture and recipient of Divine promises of God's presence and preservation requires or infers ensured infallibility, there is the entitlement to follow one's own conscience, even though it is not an independent and infallible faculty:

Over the pope as the expression of the binding claim of ecclesiastical authority there still stands one's own conscience, which must be obeyed before all else, if necessary even against the requirement of ecclesiastical authority.them Conscience confronts with a supreme and ultimate tribunal, and one which in the last resort is beyond the claim of external social groups, even of the official church." (Pope Benedict XVI [then Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger], Commentary on the Documents of Vatican II, ed. Vorgrimler, 1968, on Gaudium et spes, part 1,chapter 1).

301 posted on 05/30/2016 6:45:34 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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