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To: Mark17
But since you asked about the half brothers and half sisters of Jesus,

Jesus may indeed have had half brothers and sisters....Joseph, His step father might have had a huge family. We don't really know nor care. Mary gave birth to one child, Jesus, and His birth was well documented.If, for some bizarre reason, you like to believe that she had six kids, feel free to do so, you seem content to change whatever you want in Christian history.

Protestants are called that for a reason...they protest reality, but to no avail, it remains reality. The truth never changes just because you can't accept it. Think about it....a religion which started with its founder and 11 apostles has grown and thrived for 2,016 years and has more than a billion followers and the navigators...80 years old, started by a man, challenges the 2,016 year old cradle of Christianity with hundreds if not thousands of learned Christian scholars....and you suggest that I am bluffing my way into Heaven????????????your logic escapes me.

1,118 posted on 07/08/2016 9:01:04 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl; metmom; MHGinTN; knarf; Elsie
Mary gave birth to one child, Jesus, and His birth was well documented.If, for some bizarre reason, you like to believe that she had six kids, feel free to do so, you seem content to change whatever you want in Christian history.

I disagree bro. Once again, you provide no Biblical evidence for your claim, but then again, have you ever? Not as far as I know.
Mary had at least 7 children, Jesus, then at least 6 others, but maybe more. Mary and Joseph had sex after Jesus was born. I will even go out on a limb, and say they probably enjoyed their married sexual relationship. They were entitled to.

Think about it....a religion which started with its founder and 11 apostles has grown and thrived for 2,016 years and has more than a billion followers

You might be assuming I accept that at face value. I don't. I don't care how many followers there are. There are a billion Muzzies out there too, and I don't believe their religion either. Pope Francis might, but I don't.
It's a wonderful thing to be my own pope. You should try it. You will like it.
Now, I am going to go commit the sin of presumption, by enjoying my assurance of salvation. I do not plan to try to bluff my way into Heaven. Others might try, but that's on them.

1,119 posted on 07/08/2016 9:35:00 PM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forevermore endure.)
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To: terycarl; Mark17
Mary gave birth to one child, Jesus, and His birth was well documented.If, for some bizarre reason, you like to believe that she had six kids, feel free to do so, you seem content to change whatever you want in Christian history.

The only ones changing Christian history is the Catholic church which makes up stuff contrary to the revealed word of God, which, very ironically, Catholics claim it wrote.

That same Scripture is very clear that Joseph and Mary consummated their marriage after the birth of Jesus.

Mary of the Bible certainly did have other children...

Psalm69:8 I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother's sons.

Matthew 1:24-25 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Matthew 12:46-47 While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.”

Matthew 13:55 “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

Mark 6:2-3 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands?”... “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?”

John 2:12 After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers, and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days.”

Acts 1:14 These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.

1 Corinthians 9:4-5 Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?

Galatians 1:19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.

Strong's Concordance

http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm

adelphos: a brother

Original Word: ἀδελφός, οῦ, ὁ

Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine

Transliteration: adelphos

Phonetic Spelling: (ad-el-fos')

Short Definition: a brother

Definition: a brother, member of the same religious community, especially a fellow-Christian.

Here is a link to the occurrences of the Greek word *adelphos*.

http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm

The word *sister* (adelphe) in the Greek is the same.

http://biblehub.com/greek/79.htm

The word used is *brother* not *cousin*.

It can't mean a member of the same religious community in the context in which they occur, because then that would mean every man in Israel could be identified as Jesus' brother. So that would not identify Jesus as anyone in particular's brother.

It's not going to mean *brother in Christ* as that concept was not yet in place and the Jews, who knew Jesus as a Jew and knew His brothers as Jews, would not even begin to understand the new birth and what being in Christ meant.

They didn't even understand who JESUS was, much less being a *brother in Christ*.

The only definition left then, is to mean physical brother.

And it would not be *cousin*.

The word for *relative* that is used for Elizabeth is *suggenes*, not *adelphe*.

http://biblehub.com/greek/4773.htm

Strong's Concordance

suggenes: akin, a relative

Original Word: συγγενής, ές

Part of Speech: Adjective

Transliteration: suggenes

Phonetic Spelling: (soong-ghen-ace')

Short Definition: akin, a relative

Definition: akin to, related; subst: fellow countryman, kinsman.

1,120 posted on 07/08/2016 11:38:59 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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