Posted on 05/23/2016 4:25:24 PM PDT by Frank Broom
The reality is that many if not most pleas for healing the physical maladies go wanting among the born from above. You imply that is the fault of the prayer(s) since in your faux gospel God is bound to answer all sincere prayers.
That very cunning way of stuffing God into the demonic bottle for magic graces upon demand fashions God into a responder, not The Sovereign Creator, thus whatever need satan can concoct for believers is the duty of God to respond to, else that god is not God to those failing to 'get their blessing'.
Your service to satan's agenda is duly noted.
God has already posted His agenda, and that is for the able sluggard to get up off his a## and start energetically doing the things to earn his keep that every other able occupant of this globe has to do, Christian or not.
"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return" (Gen. 3:19).
Or do you want to see people try to cheat like Ananias and Sapphira? Or like the prodigal son who sponged off everybody, even his father, and didn't come to his senses until his pals quit putting up with his mendacity, eh? When he reached sanity and humility, His father rejoiced at his return, and the Savior commended him. But only then. That's when God multiplies the benefit of one's diligence.
You, like the Pharisees, have shown that you stand on the doctrines and traditions of man using "enticing words of man's wisdom" (1 Cor 2:4) and man himself ("Kuhlman/Roberts/Hinn/Copeland") as the basis of your arguments and doctrine, which shows you to be carnal (1 Cor 3:4).
And, yes, you are arguing against the simplicity that is in Christ and the simplicity of Scripture - Jesus “healed all that were sick” because he “took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses”, demonstrated physically (Matt. 8:16-17) - and you, like the Pharisees, don’t like that.
And, in doing so, you, like the Pharisees, fail to glorify God in his grace, love and power, and you hinder others who would so receive from Him.
The Pharisees did such in the face of the demonstration of God's power by Jesus Christ healing "all who came to him". They also killed Paul and the apostles because they did the works of Jesus as we also are called to do (John 14:12). You get away with it because of today's lack of the "demonstration of the Spirit and of power" (1 Cor 2:4).
But a change is underway, the exact change Jude prophesied, "to earnestly contend for the faith that was once delivered to the saints" (Jude 3). The gospel of the grace of Jesus Christ is sweeping the church around the world and with it a reappearance of the "demonstration of the Spirit and of power that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God" (1 Cor 2:4-5).
And also, of course, we all know that many, unknowingly in league with Satan, wresting the Scriptures and creating fear and confusion among God's people, will as now confuse the power of God which glorifies the love and goodness of Jesus Christ with the Tribulation's lying and deceiving power of Satan which which will glorify Satan.
Good bye and good luck.
Hey Frank, are you getting all of this?
I hope you’re not sorry for posting this because this stuff needs to be put out on the table and dealt with.
God bless you my FRiend.
God’s word states that Jesus “healed all that were sick” because he “took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses” - physically (Matt. 8:16-17) and you, like the Pharisees, don’t like that.
Yet we still have the example of Paul who was not healed for whatever reason.
Your practicing one verse theology and ignoring the rest of the Bible as context.
We have other examples also of Christians who became sick and died.
The name it and claim it view of the Bible is false and turns God into Amazon.com. You just place your order and He fills it whether it fits His will or not.
That's the key piece your overlooking. Is it in His will that someone be healed? Sometimes yes. Sometimes no.
To say otherwise is to not rightly handle the Word.
I just want to encourage you that it is God's will that you receive your healing.
You are making an absolute statement that it is indeed God's will that you receive your healing. There is no other way to understand what YOU wrote. This can only mean that it is God's will for all to be healed which is the same as saying all believers will be healed. There's no difference.
You fail to distinguish between
my statement: “God’s will for you to be healed” (3 John 2), and....
The only problem with your selective quote of 3 John 2 is that is not what it says.
2Beloved, I pray that in all respects you may prosper and be in good health, just as your soul prospers. 3 John 2 NASB
John is praying for this to happen but he is NOT guaranteeing it will happen.
If you can't be honest in quoting the Word the rest of your statements are called into question as well.
This one issue in scripture about Paul’s thorn is the flesh, the nature of which is purposefully unknown, does not negate the doctrine and demonstration of God’s ability, willingness, and desire to heal his people of their maladies, diseases and sicknesses.
Paul’s particular situation was between him and God. Our situation is also between each of us and God. Many people in the Bible had to wait for the manifestation of their healing. Even if the thorn in the flesh was some sort of eye disease, we don’t know if he wasn’t healed at some point later. There may have been other issues involved that we don’t know or understand. A lot conjecture here. The REAL point of the passage is that God’s grace is sufficient when we are in adverse circumstances that we don’t understand.
Our greatest challenge is to believe in the goodness and love of God even during adverse circumstances and trust in his promises which Paul did. Waiting on God in faith, sometimes for a long time, is something all of us, in one way or the other, have to learn to do by his grace.
But I never said God “guarantees it will happen” so your confusion remains intact. God’s will and desire for us is not a guarantee it will happen. Many miss God’s will for their lives.
See ya.
Dude.... your statement says that!
No, I DIDN’T say God “guarantees it will happen”. Can’t you tell the difference between God’s will and a guaranteed result? Don’t you know that many miss God’s will in their lives?
I have conversed with name-it and claim-it souls and the one thing they NEVER seem to grasp is that in the early Church Age, perhaps millions of born from above believers were martyred or die of diseases and such, and we may presume the vast majority of them prayed for deliverance and yet were slaughtered by Rome or disease and war.
The thing these modern blind heretics miss is that if this notion of name it and claim it were the truth of our relationship with the God of Creation, then that god is reduced to responder not sovereign. The analogy is a parent who is doing nothing every day except responding to the whim of the child. THAT is not parenting. we are told to raise up a child in the way that they should go ... God is the PERFECT Parent, so this getting every thing named is not of a perfect parent, much less a good parent.<> This notion is demonic in origin and thus has demonic brilliance blinding the lost in it.
“God has already posted His agenda, and that is for the able sluggard to get up off his a## and start energetically doing the things to earn his keep that every other able occupant of this globe has to do, Christian or not.”
Nonsense. What God wants us to do is seek him out in prayer, make our requests known to him and let him guide us with his agenda. Then we act when God reveals to us what he wants us to do. If the sluggard needs work then he asks God in prayer and lets God work in the situation to provide the work, and the sluggard acts on what God provides for him. If the sluggard wants to do works for God then he asks God, and God will reveal specifically what he wants him to do.
“but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.”
“But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God”
This article is to those that might be going through a physical affliction and wondering if it is God's will for you to be healed.
I just want to encourage you that it is God's will that you receive your healing.
Let me make these points to help convince you of that because I want you convinced so that nobody can talk you out of it.
Sure looks like it.
Your words: guaranteeing it will happen
In the beginning was The Word and the Word was with God and was God. Don’t try to play games with such Sovereignty.
Right, well when all else fails, throw in a non-sequitur.
Rots a ruck.
That you think that a non sequitur reveals much about your spiritual state. God, as in The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, does not serve your whims.
No , I'm not recommending to abandon a life of prayer. Rather, iut is clear that the true man of God will be walking in constant communion with Him, with one's spiritual eyes always open and ready to be guided aily.
Or maybe this isn't the plan you think should be followed? A lot of things don't require greater prayer energy when they are already settled.
When you say "nonsense" you are trying to instruct a Christian who has walked the walk for many decades, FRiend. And known by God and man for doing it: getting up off your haunches and doing what is obvious, not procrastinating.
"Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us" (2 Thess. 3:8-9).
The example set by Paul and his co-workers.
Oh, I'm paying attention just not agreeing with your opinion. This "divine health" of which you speak - though that phrase is not found in Scripture - will only apply to ALL the redeemed when we receive our glorified bodies at the resurrection. But in THIS life, in our MORTAL bodies, we will suffer simply because we live in a cursed by sin world. Healing miracles served a purpose in Jesus' time on earth and the ministry His Apostles carried on establishing churches among those they won to the Lord through the gospel. God certainly continues to heal in many ways though it is not always within His perfect will to heal every time we ask. This is because He has a greater lesson to teach us - one that has a more certain ETERNAL weight of glory.
This “que sera, sera” approach you presume I have to the Lord and the life He has for me is nothing more than your ill informed opinion no doubt spoken as a well-worn defense mechanism to explain why you can't adequately explain why God doesn't always heal as you expect. You have no idea what has happened in my life nor the prayers and pleadings I have expressed to my Heavenly Father through the years. That I accept EVERYTHING that God has permitted in my life with contentment, peace and grace has served so much more benefits in my life than I could imagine. I have seen plenty of what I would call miraculous answers to prayer so I don't lack in that regard. These have all worked together to strengthen my faith and love of God as I see His plans for my life more clearly each day.
I believe it is you that have an unscriptural view on this topic as evidenced by the numerous Scripture passages posted by myself and others on this thread that you seemingly ignore time after time.
Your conclusion that those who disagree with you do so because of "double-mindedness" is further proof of the LACK of faith in your own life. My Father knows what I need before I even ask. I rest in that knowledge. James 4 puts this very well:
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
Meditate on these. Selah.
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