Posted on 05/23/2016 4:25:24 PM PDT by Frank Broom
This article is to those that might be going through a physical affliction and wondering if it is God's will for you to be healed. I just want to encourage you that it is God's will that you receive your healing. Let me make these points to help convince you of that because I want you convinced so that nobody can talk you out of it. First, In Matthew 15:26 Jesus said healing is the children's bread. What is bread, it is your right. Every child has a right to be fed. In fact, it a father's obligation to feed his children. And Jesus said it(healing) is the children's bread. Second, God the Father is the most loving father and in Luke 11:11-13 the point Jesus is making is that if you being evil know how to do good for your children how much more God. James 1:17 says, every good gift comes from God. And Act 10:38 says, God anointed Jesus with the Holy Ghost and power and with the Holy Ghost and power Jesus went about doing good healing all that were oppressed of the devil. So, healing is a good gift from God. I want to make this point because there are those that say these bodies are just dust and they don't matter to God. But, yet we see God anointing Jesus to heal these dust bodies and he did not turn anyone away. Now, what natural parent if they had a child out playing and the child fell and was bleeding badly tell them, "Now baby don't worry about it your body is just dust." NO, a good parent would pick that child up rush them in the house, nurse their wounds, put a bandage on them, dry there tears, and do everything in their ability to make it better. Well, how much more God. Third, Hebrews 1:3 says, Jesus is the express image of God and Jesus said he only did what he saw the Father do so everytime Jesus healed it was the Father's will and not one time did he turn anyone away. Not one time did he say, "God is using this to teach you something." Not one time did he say, "I'm sorry, but it's not God's will. You know all those religious ideas people come up with. Not one time did he say no and God does not change Malachi 3:6.
Fourth, God anointed Jesus to heal. Jesus told his disciples to heal. Jesus told believers to heal. So, healing must be one of God's top priorities. Fifth, Jesus was lashed and cut open for your healing Isaiah 53:4,5. He was beaten so badly he didn't even look like himself Isaiah 52:14. Now, how can anyone say that healing is not important to God. Sixth, God has an assignment for all of our lives and without these bodies we can't fulfill them. Seven, Some say that it's more important to be saved than healed. And I agree totally, but God provided for both 1Peter 2:24. If He provided it then He must wants us to have it. Eighth, Jesus said many are sick and sleep(dead) because they don't discern the Lord's body, that it was broken for your healing 1Corinthians 11:24,29,30. People recognize that what Jesus did brought salvation, but they don't realize that what he did brought healing so they don't receive it. Ninth, Everything about Jesus speaks of healing. The lamb in Exodus 12 is a picture of Jesus and notice as a result of eating the lamb everyone was healed Psalm 105:37 (make a note of that from point 8). In Numbers 16 the atonement Aaron made for the people represents what Jesus did for you and I. And in Numbers 21 that serpent on the pole represents Jesus on the cross taking our sins. Notice, in every case it brought HEALING. Tenth, In Acts 5 and 19 God used handkercheifs and even a man's shadow to heal people. Look at God. So, do not let people minimize God's desire for you to receive your healing. And do not let them trivialize what Jesus went through for you to be healed. So, if you are believing then keep believing. God Bless!!!!
"Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed" (Jn. 6:26-27).
Yeah. Jim Jones: “Have some free Kool-Aid.”
The cited passages demonstrate that. It was explained why, and as I pointed out at the end of the lecture, you don't understand how to read and interpret the Bible. You can learn, but first you have to admit that you have not been trained and are willing to be taught.
Well, not everyone. But those who have and do die die from some kind of disease or physical problem which you claim will be physically healed for those in God's grace. By that kind of reasoning NO ONE should ever physically die.
To claim God promises to always heal our physical bodies and that this healing is part of the atonement meant by the Psalm 53 reference cannot be taken to any logical conclusion. Does God and can He, will He heal? Of course! But He has said that the healing Jesus' death provides is a spiritual one.
God permits physical healing to bring Him glory but to not heal us after we have prayed for it brings Him a far greater glory as our faith is tested and purified and we continue to trust Him and love Him anyway. We see that He allows suffering in His perfect will and we should never be discouraged when we don't receive physical healing. Our Father NEVER wastes our suffering nor is He unaware of every aspect of our lives. Paul learned by his suffering that when he was weak, he was strong in Christ.
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. (I Corinthians 12:7-10)
Who says “the primary meaning in the Biblical context of ‘we are healed’ or ‘you were healed’ refers only to the spiritual realm”?
Ball's in your court to answer the question challenging your assertion.
One thing I won't do is play ring around the rosy with you. If you don't want to have this discussion in good faith, I'll say bye.
No, it is you who turn the eternal redemption and sacrifice, grace, goodness, glory, and power of God into a disgrace and hinder those who would receive from God by “making the word of God of no effect through your tradition" of presuming God will or MUST always physically heal us when we ask Him as if He is our own personal Fairy Godfather. You conveniently ignore the very word of God when He reveals through suffering a far more eternal weight of glory:
1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.
13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.
16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. (II Corinthians 4)
Who are you talking to? I never said anything about not suffering. I’m simply giving you God’s word that says Jesus “healed all that were sick” because he “took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses” - physically (Matt. 8:16-17).
Your argument is with God not with me.
“Ummm, I believe you just tried to shift the ground from would not work to could not work. Why did you do that?
Reread that verse in view of the sense of your questions, OK?”
How about we just put you down as unable to answer the questions I posted, since nothing biblical backs up your statement that God won’t help us under your specific circumstances you stated. Re-posting your original statement: “God does not do for you what He has given you the capacity to understand and do what he wants you to do for yourself.”
Philippians 4:19 -
“But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.”
Ephesians 3:20 -
“Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us”
I’ll continue to seek God for my needs and guidance. If you and your religious ass want to sidestep God and “help yourself” because of your man made perception of what he won’t do for you, then go right ahead.
“God does help those who use what He has given them to help themselves. Quit being silly.”
And when did I deny that? What I deny is your suggestion that God won’t help those who don’t help themselves.
God does condescend to us and loves us and works for and with us at what ever level our faith is at, but he will not do sheer mighty acts of faith that counter everything in this material world without at least a tiny mustard seed of faith. If we haven't seen great and mighty miracles it isn't because He is not willing to do them. It is because we do not, in this complicated, faith consuming world know how to have the kind of faith that will allow Him to do them.
He is willing, but we are very minimal when it comes to faith. That doesn't mean that He doesn't love us and use the tiny, tiny amount of faith that we practice. It doesn't mean that we should feel guilt or condemnation or place it on others. It means that God's Word doesn't change because of what we think or what we have seen. It means that all of us have much soul searching to do. Many of us are satisfied with a minimal amount of faith, after all it is what we have been taught, and He still loves us mightily. He still responds to the amount of faith we do have. He still works through us to the level that we will believe Him to.
Jesus said that nothing is impossible with God. Jesus said that if we ask we will receive. Jesus said that the works that He did we will do and greater (because The Holy Spirit has been poured out). Jesus said that if two or more agree upon anything on earth it shall be done by our Father in Heaven. Jesus said that if we ask anything believing that it shall be done by His Father in Heaven. Jesus said that as your faith is so shall it be done onto you. Jesus made many, many statements like this. It is not His Word that is deficient, it is our faith. We may never get to the place where we even have a tiny mustard's seed worth of faith but we should try. And if we fail, though we try, God will take notice and will bless even our trying. There is therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. Let's not worry about being condemned if we fall short. Let's rather endeavor to believe in God's Word with all of our hearts, for even if we fall short, we can afford to because He loves us so much.
Excuse me; but is this the Angels Dancing on a Pinhead thread?
Hardly Elsie. This comment is beneath you.
Just what difference, then, is there between mustard seed size faith and tiny tiny faith?
Isn’t that exactly what Jesus meant when He used the comparison?
The problem with the name it and claim it kind of faith is many fold.
First of all, it puts God in a box and limits Him to what the person thinks He MUST do. It means that some person somewhere has decided how God must act at all times and insists that He always act in accord with the perception of God that the person has.
It disallows that God may have other purposes in mind that the affliction is working out in the person’s life.
It blames the person who is sick for their condition.
When Jesus healed, He healed people who weren’t looking for it and didn’t even know who He was. His healing people NEVER depended on their faith but on HIS work.
NEVER did He tell someone they weren’t healed because they didn’t have faith, like so many misguided Christians do.
If God wanted to heal everyone all the time, all that much, He could certainly do it without anyone *blocking* the healing. Jesus did it to people who didn’t know what was happening to them. They had no faith, so clearly the amount of faith is NOT a factor in a person’s healing.
And again, we still haven’t had a decent answer about God healing amputated limb and the one about Joni. She’s still in that wheelchair last I knew.
Who’s going to go to her and tell her to her face that she doesn’t have enough faith?
So suppose two women get cancer, both get prayed for and one gets healed and one doesn’t?
Who’s got the greater faith? The one who got healed or the one who still lives for Jesus and praises Him for what He’s doing in her life and isn’t rattled by the fact that she wasn’t healed?
That's not what He told Paul.
“Name it and claim it” is all over the Bible.
“And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment: For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole. But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; your faith has made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.” (Matt 9:20-22).
Many thronged him but only one said, “if I can only touch him I will be whole,” and Jesus said “Your faith has made you whole.”
Again, your argument isn’t with me, it’s with God.
God told Paul and everyone in God’s word that Jesus “healed all that were sick” because he “took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses” - physically (Matt. 8:16-17).
You don’t know what Paul and God were discussing about the “thorn in his flesh”. Nobody knows what that thorn in the flesh was (possibly unending oppositions and persecutions that created much hurt and frustration “in the flesh” in Paul, as he details extensively earlier in the same book, 2 Corinthians).
Whatever they were talking about certainly does not negate God’s word as you try to do. Jesus he “took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses” and “by his stripes we are healed.”
Paul obviously did not have authority over that devil since he had to live with the affliction, although Jesus could have removed it...
And that's the point...Jesus lets many of us live with these problems and maladies so that we may know how to comfort others with the same problems...
There is much, much less in size than a mustard seed. Jesus was saying how very, very powerful faith is. The average, even “good” Christian may be operating on just a grain of sand of faith. Even a grain of sand of faith can accomplish much because that is how extraordinarily powerful faith is.
Metmom, we must not get caught up in thinking that if someone doesn’t have as much faith as someone else that means that they are to be considered a bad Christian. Jesus talked about talents. Some people may start out with one talent and another with three. It is what someone does with the talents that they are given that determines how much they will receive in the Kingdom to come. Also, as we are faithful with what God has given to us He will increase it. We shouldn’t get caught up in all of this guilt talk and worrying about who has more faith than someone else. We should concentrate on not judging others and doing the best we can before The LORD. It is His job to be the judge.
As far a Joni is concerned she tried, as far as I know, to be healed once and when it didn’t happen she was satisfied with her infirmity. God has truly used her mightily, but she has used her talents to her fullest. If she isn’t invested in a quest to be healed after one try that is between her and God. It doesn’t mean that God would not have at some point healed her. Maybe she could not ever be healed in this world even if she continued to try to have faith to be miraculously healed because she didn’t obtain onto faith to be healed. Either way there isn’t any condemnation. But it certainly would not hurt to try to find, before God, what it takes to have mustard seed faith for a healing. Failure isn’t worth than not trying.
I think of faith like this. For thousands of years man thought about flying and tried to fly. For thousands of years he failed. Did that mean that flying isn’t possible? No, it means man did not understand what it took to fly. Most thought it was impossible. But somewhere around the early 1900s Orville Wright flew just a short distance. It took finding out what it took to fly. Think about what has happened since he flew that short distance. Now you and I fly hundreds of miles an hour. Faith is kind of like that. Just because we haven’t seen miracles much for two thousand years since Jesus was here (and He hasn’t changed) doesn’t meant if some of us can break through to uncomplicated, child like faith and some are healed by God for real that an explosion of faith cannot happen.
In general it seems that Christians grounded in good, solid doctrine have been conditioned to not believe God for miracles and those who do try to believe are not grounded, run on their emotions and are satisfied with false miracles and prophesies. Oh for the day when the grounded realize that our God is the God of miracles. We are not trying to enforce our will upon Him when we believe Him for miracles but rather for His glory and because of His great, great love for us we are believing Him for what He already wants to do.
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14: If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it
John 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
Nope...it's with you! You began your comments on this thread opining that ALL believers can be and will be healed of physical infirmities because Scripture says by Jesus' stripes we are healed. You have placed the main emphasis on our physical, mortal bodies rather than the REAL healing that God does for ALL through Jesus Christ which is spiritual healing. Though our outer man is perishing the inner man is being renewed every day, Paul said.
If you are going to post to an OPEN Religion Forum thread, get used to hearing opposing views and refrain from attacking people when they disagree. Present your case, let others decide if your arguments pass muster.
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