Posted on 05/23/2016 4:25:24 PM PDT by Frank Broom
This article is to those that might be going through a physical affliction and wondering if it is God's will for you to be healed. I just want to encourage you that it is God's will that you receive your healing. Let me make these points to help convince you of that because I want you convinced so that nobody can talk you out of it. First, In Matthew 15:26 Jesus said healing is the children's bread. What is bread, it is your right. Every child has a right to be fed. In fact, it a father's obligation to feed his children. And Jesus said it(healing) is the children's bread. Second, God the Father is the most loving father and in Luke 11:11-13 the point Jesus is making is that if you being evil know how to do good for your children how much more God. James 1:17 says, every good gift comes from God. And Act 10:38 says, God anointed Jesus with the Holy Ghost and power and with the Holy Ghost and power Jesus went about doing good healing all that were oppressed of the devil. So, healing is a good gift from God. I want to make this point because there are those that say these bodies are just dust and they don't matter to God. But, yet we see God anointing Jesus to heal these dust bodies and he did not turn anyone away. Now, what natural parent if they had a child out playing and the child fell and was bleeding badly tell them, "Now baby don't worry about it your body is just dust." NO, a good parent would pick that child up rush them in the house, nurse their wounds, put a bandage on them, dry there tears, and do everything in their ability to make it better. Well, how much more God. Third, Hebrews 1:3 says, Jesus is the express image of God and Jesus said he only did what he saw the Father do so everytime Jesus healed it was the Father's will and not one time did he turn anyone away. Not one time did he say, "God is using this to teach you something." Not one time did he say, "I'm sorry, but it's not God's will. You know all those religious ideas people come up with. Not one time did he say no and God does not change Malachi 3:6.
Fourth, God anointed Jesus to heal. Jesus told his disciples to heal. Jesus told believers to heal. So, healing must be one of God's top priorities. Fifth, Jesus was lashed and cut open for your healing Isaiah 53:4,5. He was beaten so badly he didn't even look like himself Isaiah 52:14. Now, how can anyone say that healing is not important to God. Sixth, God has an assignment for all of our lives and without these bodies we can't fulfill them. Seven, Some say that it's more important to be saved than healed. And I agree totally, but God provided for both 1Peter 2:24. If He provided it then He must wants us to have it. Eighth, Jesus said many are sick and sleep(dead) because they don't discern the Lord's body, that it was broken for your healing 1Corinthians 11:24,29,30. People recognize that what Jesus did brought salvation, but they don't realize that what he did brought healing so they don't receive it. Ninth, Everything about Jesus speaks of healing. The lamb in Exodus 12 is a picture of Jesus and notice as a result of eating the lamb everyone was healed Psalm 105:37 (make a note of that from point 8). In Numbers 16 the atonement Aaron made for the people represents what Jesus did for you and I. And in Numbers 21 that serpent on the pole represents Jesus on the cross taking our sins. Notice, in every case it brought HEALING. Tenth, In Acts 5 and 19 God used handkercheifs and even a man's shadow to heal people. Look at God. So, do not let people minimize God's desire for you to receive your healing. And do not let them trivialize what Jesus went through for you to be healed. So, if you are believing then keep believing. God Bless!!!!
1 Timothy 5:23(No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.)
I guess Timothy and Trophimus, not to mention the irresponsible Paul who left Trophimus sick, were just a bunch of schmucks who didn't know about all this divine health that we are allegedly promised.
Telling us how our healing occurs, by His stripes, does not equate to a promise that you WILL be healed if you simply have enough faith.
All it does is tell us the avenue, the mechanism by which our healing takes place when it happens.
I've heard people stand up in front of congregations, while battling cancer and receiving radiation, that *I AM healed!*.
Well, if you are healed then what's the point of the radiation? If you are healed, why is there cancer in your body?
The fallacy is that you can be sick and symptomatic and still be healed and walk around declaring it makes it so. That is NOT taught in Scripture anywhere nor is it ever even alluded to.
That’s all fine and good but does not address the topic of the thread.
This is almost as bad as catholicism's worship of Mary.
Well said. I like to call this the "Blab it and Grab it" false doctrine. And it is as bad indeed.
Hoss
Exactly what was on my mind, BB, but I’m glad it was you that brought it up. Thanks for the note!
That was Christ healing those brought to him in order to fulfill prophecy. It says nothing about being healed of illnesses or diseases because of blabbing it and grabbing it.
Exegesis. Try it; you'll like it.
Hoss
As a part of it (Arminianism?) they misinterpret Hebrews 6:4-6. building a doctrine on "if", IIRC.
" For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, . . . If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; . . ." (Heb. 6:4a,6a)
(Actually, I groan over the loss of fellowship with one with whom this could be beneficially shared. I know you understand.)
After taking a shower and getting ready for midweek Bible study (occasion quite casual), I just felt I ought to wear an old jungle vest bearing my division patch from the '60s. I like it but don't wear it very often. But a guest came to the evening meeting, a young fellow currently serving in the Army, with which he identified. My grateful regards and thanks for his service and the recognition of mine got us smoothly off on the right foot to share some mutual experiences without having to wait otherwise for a long process of getting acquainted enough to be vulnerable enough to share in the Spirit and the Word.
My form of walking prayer, I guess. Get up and do it, praying as you go.
Just sayin'. I wear the socks that just feel right for the day, trusting in the Lord to make up for any misjudgment in style or color match, eh?
“Blabbing it and grabbing it” is all over the Bible.
“And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment: For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole. But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; your faith has made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.” (Matt 9:20-22).
Many thronged him but only one said, “if I can only touch him I will be whole,” and Jesus said “Your faith has made you whole.”
The Bible. Try it; you’ll like it.
Try reading The Bible. Jesus healed many. They didn't heal themselves. Many today receive healing from God...but not because they "blab" it to "grab" it. It's because of God's will.
Face it: the "prosperity gospel" is a FALSE gospel.
You take care.
Hoss
Confusion reigns among you Pharisees while you “make the word of God of none effect through your tradition” (Mark 7:13).
The prosperity gospel and the health and wealth gospel:
“I wish above all things that you proper and be in health even as your soul prospers.” 3 John 2.
“By his stripes we were healed.” 1 Peter 2:24.
“And when Jesus was come into Peter’s house, he saw his wife’s mother laid, and sick of a fever. And he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them. When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.” Matt 8:14-17.
The blabbing it and grabbing it gospel:
“And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment: For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole. But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; your faith has made you whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.” Matt 9:20-22.
Spend more time reading the Bible and less time on explaining away what’s in the Bible.
About requesting healing and sustenance of The Father, not like the obnoxiously persistently importunate demanding widow of Luke 18 to the unjust worldly judge, but as our Blessed Savior Who, having lain aside His Glory and become humble, obedient unto death, to God the Judge of All, "Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done."
Humble toward humans, meek toward The God.
Remember, it is the disease that we have deserved as sinful humans from conception, not the healing.
Now you explain away post 141 and show us anywhere in Scripture that we can demand healing of God or that He commands us to name it and claim it.
If it’s God’s will that we all be healed, then why aren’t we?
You’re the one making that claim. You defend your position without resorting to name calling and false accusations. I’ve seen it time and again that when someone disagrees with a Pentecostal, they are immediately accused of being legalistic Pharisees and having our traditions.
Well, the bad news for you is that Pentecostals are just as legalistic as anyone. It’s their way or you’re wrong, just like you are demonstrating.
The rest of us recognize that God is sovereign and He doesn’t bow to the petulant demands of immature Christians who think that He owes them anything. We trust Him that He knows better what is best for us than we do for ourselves and we are willing to cut Him some slack in the decisions He makes for our lives.
So again I ask, if God wants me healed, if it’s His will that I am, then why have I not seen it in the last almost 40 years of asking? Since you present yourself as having all the answers and knowing the mind of God, inform us little peons since you’re clearly so much more spiritual than the rest of us.
We will be entirely healed when we stand in glory with our Lord and savior Until that time we will have tribulation Those that are I’ll or poor have no less faith than the rich and healthy In fact a lot of the downtrodden have a great deal more faith than their more fortunate neighbors
God is not a magic lucky marble we can pull out of our pocket when we need something If we want physical health or prosperity of course we can as our Father for those things Ask, not use some magical formula to make God do what we want But we must be prepared that the answer may be He will give us all these things....IN HIS PERFECT TIMING not ours God will always give us what is best for us not what we want at that particular moment
We’ve already been over this. Many people in the Bible had to wait for God’s promise for many reasons.
Abram was in his 80’s when God renamed him Abraham which means “father of many nations” even though his wife was barren and he didn’t have any children. He had no reason to believe what God said was true other than the fact God said it. But God also helped him. He told Abraham to look UP at all the stars that represented his innumerable future children. Abraham may have actually started naming all the stars after his children that were to come. Yet, at 99 years old he had no child of promise although his self effort though impatience produced a child of the flesh which persecuted the child of the spirit (Gal 4:23, 29) who was born when Abraham was 100.
Scripture testifies that Abraham “not being weak in faith considered not his own body” (Rom 4:19). Abraham kept looking UP towards Heaven, not down at himself. When we look at ourselves we get depressed, when we look around, we get stressed, when we look up we’re too blessed to be stressed and find rest.
Moses was 80 before the promise of his life and ministry began after going from the futility of presumptuous self-effort (Ex 2:11-15) to becoming the meekest man in the world (Num 12:13) who lead Israel out of Egypt with the rod of God (Ex 4:20).
Hannah had to wait a long time before God opened her womb and Samuel was born. Hannah had to come to the end of her striving. Hannah wanted a son, but God gave her a prophet.
There were people who were blind and crippled their whole life who Jesus healed.
Your circumstance is between you and God. No man has the answer for your circumstance, only God does. Whatever the reason, God in his love allows the trying of our faith to work patience which in turn brings us perfection and wholeness (James 1:3-4) - “joy unspeakable and full of glory” (1 Pet 1:8).
“Some through the waters, some through the flood,
Some through the fire, but all through the blood;
Some through great sorrow, but God gives a song,
In the night season and all the day long.”
Confusion reigns among you Pharisees while you “make the word of God of none effect through your tradition” (Mark 7:13).
Non-sequitur. The issue of refutation of the false "prosperity gospel" has nothing to do with tradition. It has everything to do with the extant Word of God. The fact that the prosperity gospel has any tenuous filament to the scripture is due to misinterpretation of passages that "do not mean what you think they mean."
“I wish above all things that you proper and be in health even as your soul prospers.” 3 John 2.
Out of curiosity --- who was the author of that passage? We all know that scripture is God-breathed, but it was also a letter -- written to an audience -- by someone. John would be my guess. And he wished for good health and prosperity for those to whom the letter was written. That's not God almighty telling us that by asking or health and wealth that we get it. So, here we have a rather gross misinterpretation of 3 John 2.
“By his stripes we were healed.” 1 Peter 2:24.
Let's visit this one in context from v. 18:
" Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust. For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God. For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly. He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
(1 Peter 2:18-25 ESV)" Emphasis mine.
Looks like Peter is talking about our submission to authorities. And the bolded verses, which include your cherry-picked one, are talking about our SPIRITUAL health... "...that we might die to sin and live to righteousness...." Again, this does not prove the prosperity gospel -- it refutes it.
“And when Jesus was come into Peter’s house, he saw his wife’s mother laid, and sick of a fever. And he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them. When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.” Matt 8:14-17.
Already refuted, but why not. Christ healed Peter's wife's mother. He healed others brought to him IN ORDER TO FULFILL PROPHECY. Speaking of reading the Bible, did you catch the part where it says, "...That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.”
Where does Matthew indicate here that we can avail ourselves of perfect health and wealth by simply asking for it? I can't find it... can you?
And, finally:
“And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment: For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole. But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; your faith has made you whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.” Matt 9:20-22.
Christ healed her through her faith. He used her to show his power. Where does it say, again, that WE have this kind of direct immediate healing just by asking for it?
Here are some interesting things that are also found in the Bible, which I do read (and if you do, I'm sure you've seen them too -- why don't you believe them?):
Peace with God Through Faith
Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
(Romans 5:1-5 ESV)
Hmmm. Odd that we should suffer AT ALL, yet here Paul is describing what we obtain through God's grace as we REJOICE IN OUR SUFFERING. Strange....
Christ himself suffered for us. Does He not himself say:
"Take Up Your Cross and Follow Jesus
Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?
(Matthew 16:24-26 ESV)
Denial of self. Seems to me that is truly putting your faith in Christ and trusting in Him for all things.
So... as for reading more and explaining less, sorry. When false gospels are brought out into the light, they must be refuted and crushed; I would hate to see any of my brothers and sisters in Christ misled in such an awful way.
Take care.
Hoss
Beautifully, and lovingly expounded!
Absolutely, “name it and claim it” is false. It is an attempt to make the things that God is willing and able to do out of His own volition rather into a formula. False faith movements always turn faith into a formula that exalts the individual and makes him enter into having some kind of power and ability that only The LORD God has. It is The LORD God Himself, out of His own volition and through the power of His Holy Spirit that must do the miracle that we in simple, humble faith ask of Him to do.
The evil one works very hard to cause decent, humble Christians to think that miracles are not possible and that God isn’t willing to do them. He does this by overrunning Christians with nasty false forms of faith. This keeps Christians from seeking the face of God, the real and living God, to help them with needed miracles. It is too bad that so many haven fallen for his efforts.
Not endeavoring to have real faith which is simple, childlike trust in The Living God to do as He said He would, which glorifies Him, is much, much easier than pursuing after Him to obtain that which is though Him and by Him obtainable. It is an easy cop out. It therefore very easy to accept the belief that God is not willing to give us the things we ask of Him, just like Jesus said. We don’t have to enter into a quest to pursue after The LORD. It is much easier to simple say that it is The LORD’s will. The sad thing about it is that it isn’t His will. We are accepting compromise in the Name of God. Our desire for Him to heal us should spur onto serious soul searching and repenting.
Actually sickness is a form of chastisement which is a good thing if we allow it to spur us on to being a better Christian and not merely accept it as “God’s will”. We may never obtain unto seemingly elusive, simple, childlike faith in this complicated, wicked world, fraught will with false doctrines in the Church, but we will be better for the trying.
Thanks Hoss guy.
It seems to work out pretty good financially for the head preachers of it, though. ;o)
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