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To: ebb tide

No, I do not think Ed Peters is infallible. I am not citing him as a “argument from authority,” but on the reasonableness of his position that if there is not direct, explicit, incorrigible refusal of a doctrine, there is not formal heresy.

Papal scandal, yes. Pastoral malpractice, certainly. Material heresy, maybe. But not formal heresy.


39 posted on 05/16/2016 3:14:47 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I don't know about you. But I consider the following, in Pope Francis' apostolic exhortation, " EVANGELII GAUDIIUM" to be formal heresy:

We hold the Jewish people in special regard because their covenant with God has never been revoked, for “the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable” (Rom 11:29). The Church, which shares with Jews an important part of the sacred Scriptures, looks upon the people of the covenant and their faith as one of the sacred roots of her own Christian identity (cf. Rom 11:16-18). As Christians, we cannot consider Judaism as a foreign religion; nor do we include the Jews among those called to turn from idols and to serve the true God (cf. 1 Thes 1:9). With them, we believe in the one God who acts in history, and with them we accept his revealed word.

Notice that Francis attempts to speak in the name of the Catholic Church by his repeated use of the word "We".

42 posted on 05/16/2016 4:16:36 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Look at all the people on this thread alone who have suffered an assault on their faith from the heresies run rampant and stated that they have either left the Catholic Church or are planning to because they think that Dr. Frankenstein creation of Vatican-2 is the real entity and they can see that that entity and those running it are false.

Yet you and others keeps insisting that all is well.

You are aiding in driving them into the arms of the protestants or worse.

And when those outside the Faith come on these threads to bash the Catholic Church, you deniers give them a pass and instead attack the authentic Catholic teaching presented by traditional Roman Catholics.

46 posted on 05/16/2016 5:51:03 PM PDT by SGNA
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