[ealgeone]

Second, I NEVER said we don't pray *to* Mary, but quite the opposite: I said we do pray *to* Mary, and it's legit: we're not worshiping her as if she were a goddess or some such thing.

The idols and statues say otherwise.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Oh, fer cryin' out loud, ealgeone!! Idols and statues don't say anything. Surely you know that!

First you refute things *I* didn't say, then you refute things "idols and statues" didn't say.

This is not the way to conduct a discussion. To do this, you have to engage with what the other person actually said.

AND both parties have to agree to defined terms. Please define and distinguish "adoration" and "veneration." Debater's courtesy: I'm giving you the first dibs on that.