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To: rwa265
A. Prayer is the lifting up of our minds and hearts to God to adore Him,

And that is worship...

to thank Him for His benefits, to ask His forgiveness, and to beg of Him all the graces we need whether for soul or body.

but that is the same thing you do with Mary...You pray to her to watch over you, protect you...You ask her to provide grace to you...You ask her to give you salvation...That's all worship...

139 posted on 04/28/2016 6:42:19 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
From what I've seen on these discussion boards the catholic has allowed themselves to be deluded into believing when they pray to Mary or rely upon Mary for salvation it is not worship nor is it the same as praying to God or relying upon God for salvation which is what Christians would call worship.

Words have to be redefined to mean something other than the normal meaning.

The context of the Greek is discounted too often as it collides with the catholic meaning of words.

140 posted on 04/28/2016 6:51:13 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Iscool

One thing we do not do is ask her forgiveness, which we can only receive through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The things we ask of Mary depend entirely on her receiving them from Christ to share with us. Lucem Gentium explains it better than I can.

III. On the Blessed Virgin and the Church

60. There is but one Mediator as we know from the words of the apostle, “for there is one God and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a redemption for all”.(298) The maternal duty of Mary toward men in no wise obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows His power. For all the salvific influence of the Blessed Virgin on men originates, not from some inner necessity, but from the divine pleasure. It flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on His mediation, depends entirely on it and draws all its power from it. In no way does it impede, but rather does it foster the immediate union of the faithful with Christ.

61. Predestined from eternity by that decree of divine providence which determined the incarnation of the Word to be the Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin was on this earth the virgin Mother of the Redeemer, and above all others and in a singular way the generous associate and humble handmaid of the Lord. She conceived, brought forth and nourished Christ. She presented Him to the Father in the temple, and was united with Him by compassion as He died on the Cross. In this singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope and burning charity in the work of the Saviour in giving back supernatural life to souls. Wherefore she is our mother in the order of grace.

62. This maternity of Mary in the order of grace began with the consent which she gave in faith at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, and lasts until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this salvific duty, but by her constant intercession continued to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.(15*) By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and cultics, until they are led into the happiness of their true home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix.(16*) This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator.(17*)

For no creature could ever be counted as equal with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer. Just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by the ministers and by the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is really communicated in different ways to His creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.

The Church does not hesitate to profess this subordinate role of Mary. It knows it through unfailing experience of it and commends it to the hearts of the faithful, so that encouraged by this maternal help they may the more intimately adhere to the Mediator and Redeemer.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html


146 posted on 04/28/2016 8:09:16 AM PDT by rwa265
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