A Look at the Early Catholic Church from the Acts of the Apostles

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 04-26-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[MHGinTN]

The following link is to a very important teaching on the Jewish Wedding and how it is paralleled by the things Jesus did on the night before He went to the Cross. Starting at minute 19:38 in the video is the vital section for Catholics to consider. If you choose not to watch at least the portion from 19:38 for a few minutes, it is on you. BUT I was under the impression that you are not so closed minded that you are unable to even look at an explanation not directed by the Magisterium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFYMJ6bLwJY

[MHGinTN]

ping to you, also ...

[verga]

Please don't try to "guilt" Catholics in to watching / reading something.
Second I read and watch plenty of things not directed by the Magisterium.
Third he is a perfect example of 2 Peter 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.<>BR> Fourth I really hope you don't put too much stock into anything he said except Mark 13:32 / Matthew 24:36 "But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

[rwa265]

A very good friend died this morning, a true brother in Christ. He had been suffering from diabetes for many years and had lost both of his legs. A group of us visited him in his hospital room Saturday morning for our monthly fellowship; and we knew that the end could be near. We talked to his sister outside the room before we left. She was of course very distraught, but she told us that she firmly believes that God knows in advance the day we are born and the day we will return to Him.

As you remind us, verga, the Father alone knows. All we can do is be always alert as the wise virgins were and the good servant was.

Peace,
Rich

[maryz]

Q.E.D.

[MHGinTN]

You said/wrote: "Second I read and watch plenty of things not directed by the Magisterium." And that is why I had hope that you would watch at least a portion as I indicated beginning at minute 19:38. What JD offered is not distortion. It may be hard to understand, but it is backed up by numerous scriptural references which are enlightening.

Are you studied in the difference between the Luke Temple Discourse and the Matthew and Mark Olivet Discourse?

And agree, no man knows the hour except the Father. That is also a parallel to the Jewish Wedding process, because even the bridegroom does not know the hour the Father of the Bridegroom will tell the Son to go get the Bride. And when the Son approaches, the bride comes out to meet Him so He does not come all the way to the bride's houme. The Son / bridegroom takes the Bride back to the Father's House for the rest of the wedding process ... 1 Thess 4:13-17 'to meet the Lord in the air', not on the ground.

As to the events in the Tribulation and how to know the beginning, Scripture is very plain on that and we are able to know, and Jews will know the exact hour The Messiah returns to set foot upon the Earth at the end of the Tribulation/ seventieth week of Daniel's Prophecy to Israel/ Time of Jacobs Trouble. But that return of Messiah is The Second Coming, not the snatching away of the bride/ the body of Christ before God pours out His wrath upon the Earth to redeem Israel. The Tribulation period is not about The Church, the Bride of Christ, it is about Israel and as Daniel put it, make an end to sin.

[Mark17]

See you in the rapture bro. Maybe it will be soon.

[af_vet_1981]

You did well to visit him.

[Mark17]

I can identify with the struggle with diabetes, and I don’t have it as bad as some (type 2) but it is no fun at all. I hope God comforts all who knew your friend.

[af_vet_1981]

The Messiah attended an actual Jewish wedding; I think that is what I should do, when invited, as well. When in attendance, the Comforter can bring things to my remembrance and I may even discover new treasures. I'm not looking for a new teaching that does not recognize one holy catholic apostolic church. We already have our marching orders, which were publicly read in last Sunday's masses from the beloved Apostle John's Gospel.

[verga]

I will include your friend in my evening prayers. My condolences on your loss.

[verga]

What JD offered is not distortion. It may be hard to understand, but it is backed up by numerous scriptural references which are enlightening.

I am not looking to get into a protracted discussion about the end times, but all he offered was his opinions on the meaning of various scriptures. As soon as he started talking about the pretrib rapture and multiple second comings I knew he was way off base.

If you want to start a separate thread on the topic great more power to you, but I will not be discussing it further on this thread.

[MHGinTN]

You offered this opinion: "As soon as he started talking about the pretrib rapture and multiple second comings I knew he was way off base." In the video he is very clear that the Rapture is not a second coming. The second coming of Messiah will be Jesus setting foot tot he Earth, AFTER it has been purged by the wrath God pours out leading up to the Return of Messiah, with His Bride.

The Age which ends with the Rapture is the Age of the Church, in which there is no differentiation between Jew and Gentiles. Peter used the keys to he kingdom to open it to all (The Day of Pentecost and the House of Cornelius).

The seven years of Tribulation are not about the Church Age. It is all about Israel. The evangelizing of the remaining world after the Rapture takes the Bride away to the Father's House (John 14 Discourse) will be done by Jews. At the end, the Trumpet sounds to Angels to gather the elect. To start the Rapture the Trumpet of GOD sounds to alert the Bride to the waiting Bridegroom Who has come from Heaven to the heavens above the Earth, to call out the Bride to go back to the Father's House in Heaven (beginning of Rev 4). Then the events of Rev 4&5 are occurring in Heaven. Then from Rev 6 to Rev 19, the events are focused upon the Earth dwellers left behind of the Rapture. The Church Age ends with the 'Come up hither' (Rev 4:1)

The Revelation of John is chapter one, the past; Chapters 2 & 3; 'the present' / the Church Age; Chapters 4 to the end the future. The 'present' ends with the snatching away of the Ekklesia.

May I ask of you whose opinion is it that the Rapture is at the end of the Tribulation? Did you come to that conclusion on your own, or is it teaching you've had on the Revelation of John, 1Thess 4:13-18, 1Cor 15:51-56, John 14, and 1Thess 1:10?

[verga]

If you want to start a separate thread on the topic great more power to you, but I will not be discussing it further on this thread.

[MHGinTN]

I understand. Have A great evening, verga. I appreciate your patience.

[terycarl]

Peter said it was the UNLEARNED and UNSTABLE who wrest and twist Scripture to their own destruction.

Do you suppose that he might have meant those INDIVIDUALS who think that they are able to interpret scripture on their own??????(they aren't)

[terycarl]

No, he doesn’t send them through the sacraments he sends them through Christ Jesus straight to the believer at the foot of the cross.

Most of us aren't at the foot of the cross....think of how much more convenient it is for Him to have the seven Sacraments administered in hundreds of thousands of Catholic churches around the world on a daily basis.

[terycarl]

Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." He replied to him, "I say to you today; you will need to have seven sacrements. You don't have enough time left. Sorry."

Yeah...sigh....if only we all could have been crucified next to Christ how easy it would have been......even Baptism wouldn't be necessary.....oh well.....

[terycarl]

The Baptist pulpit has been the on fire place for me to listen (Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God) Scripture adjures us to "Come ye out from among them and be ye therefore separate" We did Ben Carson don't hang wit' niggas and we don't hang with Catholics, but we will speak the truth and wisdom God has allowed us as God has allowed us

I'll list your post under intellectually questionable, John Smythe, the founder of your "denomination" probably didn't have the whole truth.....but like other revolutionaries, he brought us his interpretation of God's truth........kind of.

[terycarl]

See you in the rapture bro. Maybe it will be soon.

The "rapture".......sigh.....that theory is just slightly older than the Navigators...