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To: MHGinTN

“Rejoice, unshakeable Tower of the Church.” There was a tower in Babylon’s plane ... the goddess from thence is come to live again in the catholic religion.”

Really? I wonder how my ancestors missed that! Just as a matter of curiosity, why do you suppose God let the Christian world get it so wrong for so long? Why did He wait over 1500 years to “enlighten” a bunch of non Greek speaking Western Europeans as to the Truth and since then to limit the understanding of that Truth to so few people, virtually all of whom are English speaking Westerners?


187 posted on 04/16/2016 8:42:05 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; MHGinTN
I wonder how my ancestors missed that! Just as a matter of curiosity, why do you suppose God let the Christian world get it so wrong for so long?

Really?

You guys are the ones who believe in free will. Remember?

Not only that, His word has been out there the whole time with its ability to correct the error that religions and churches promulgate.

What do you want Him to have done. FORCE everyone into believing a certain way as the Catholic church loved to do?

Why did He wait over 1500 years to “enlighten” a bunch of non Greek speaking Western Europeans as to the Truth and since then to limit the understanding of that Truth to so few people, virtually all of whom are English speaking Westerners?

He didn't wait 1,500 years to do that. His Holy Spirit has always been on hand to enlighten people. Anyone who truly wanted to know God could and would find Him.

He always has a remnant.

194 posted on 04/16/2016 9:23:53 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Kolokotronis
You muddle out, "why do you suppose God let the Christian world get it so wrong for so long?" The problem with your query is your assumption that the institution you trust for your salvation is 'the christian world'. Catholicism is not 'the Christian World' and the catholic institution is not God's Temple.

The ekklesia JESUS established is based upon believing in Jesus as Savior. PERIOD. Your religion, catholiciism, as you put it 'the christian world' is not that Ekklesia. So in all generations, people can be born from above by The Holy Spirit after the fashion of Peter preaching on Pentecost or sharing the Gospel in the house of Cornelius, without 'your institutional hierarchy' even being involved. Salvation cometh by HEARING and hearing by The Word of God ... not some pagan rite of eating the food offered to idols, as catholic Mass conducts the rite.

And there are doubtless many such born from above members of Christ's body right there in those pagan-based halls of catholic empowerment. I've known one or two who did not adhere to the pagan rites of Mass or the Mariology demigoddess nonsense, yet they stayed in that other religion's system because of family or loved ones, all the while KNOWING they are alive in Christ by the Spirit of God in them. They are troubled souls, but they gave been born from above and are out of the reach of the god of catholiciism.

Oh we know --because we have witnessed it for several weeks, intensely-- your ilk will plead that Peter was the first Pope of the catholiciism institutional religion. Or the dogma that the first eucharist was on the night before Jesus went to the cross for our redemption (so the Remembrance was instituted BEFORE the sacrifice thus showing it is indeed a remembrance of what He did once for all forever at the Cross, a sacred memorial to show the Lord's death for us until He returns, for us!). These fantasy claims of this other religion, catholiciism, are not supported by scriptures unless one reads a huge amount into the very sparse verses dragged out of context to play word games.

This 'christian world' of the catholic church constitutes another gospel, one which requires the followers to eat the flesh, blood, soul and divinity of the god of this other gospel. And that heresy too is only supported in catholiciism by ripping one or two verse out of the context of all the Word, ignoring the extensive use of parables ands sacred metaphors by JESUS, and in open defiance of the Law which JESUS said would not pass away and which exposes the catholic Mass as a pagan blasphemy.

But to the utter consternation of the god of catholiciism, a father of liars and lies, there are actually human beings believing in Jesus without adhering to the blasphemous dogmas of catholiciism. You could say God's Spirit Saves some inspite of the catholiciism commands to blaspheme the Lord of Hosts by committing pagan rites to empower the institution of that catholiciism 'christian world'.

195 posted on 04/16/2016 9:26:56 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: Kolokotronis
Really? I wonder how my ancestors missed that! Just as a matter of curiosity, why do you suppose God let the Christian world get it so wrong for so long? Why did He wait over 1500 years to “enlighten” a bunch of non Greek speaking Western Europeans as to the Truth and since then to limit the understanding of that Truth to so few people, virtually all of whom are English speaking Westerners?

Concur

226 posted on 04/16/2016 1:08:03 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Kolokotronis
Really? I wonder how my ancestors missed that! Just as a matter of curiosity, why do you suppose God let the Christian world get it so wrong for so long?

He didn't...

In Acts 20:17-38, the Apostle Paul has an opportunity to talk to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus one last time face to face...In that passage, he tells them that false teachers will not only come among them but will come FROM them (vs. 29-30)..Paul does not set forth the teaching that they were to follow the 'first' organized church as a safeguard for the truth..Rather, he commits them to the safekeeping of 'God and to the word of His grace' (vs. 32)...Therefore, truth could be determined by depending upon God and 'the word of His grace'...

The first century churches were given the truth...In Jesus' written words...

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Any writing or doctrine that deviates from those first century church teaching or scriptures is false...The disciples who wrote the books of the bible were confident they had given everything God wanted them and us to know for our salvation...Any deviation from those is corruption...

There wasn't a Catholic church or even a Catholic any where near the first century...One can look high and low in the New Testament and will find nothing that resembles the Catholic religion...

And as such we can see that corruption became prominent in the church and self appointed leaders colluded with the pagan emperor of Rome and it's massive army and claimed for itself the title of the one true church...Constantine even made the cross a symbol of his new Christian army...

So to answer your question, the 'church(es)' in small groups and numbers who did not abandon the teaching of the disciples and the words of God carried on with God's blessings...God's church is NOT a massive world wide religion...

You do not need faith to become a Catholic, but a professed faith, and that, faith in the Catholic religion...The real church is made up of people with a cleansed heart...And only God knows who they all are...

237 posted on 04/16/2016 2:13:13 PM PDT by Iscool (Trump/Kasich...A winning team...)
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To: Kolokotronis; metmom; MHGinTN; ealgeone
Really? I wonder how my ancestors missed that! Just as a matter of curiosity, why do you suppose God let the Christian world get it so wrong for so long? Why did He wait over 1500 years to “enlighten” a bunch of non Greek speaking Western Europeans as to the Truth and since then to limit the understanding of that Truth to so few people, virtually all of whom are English speaking Westerners?

So just where in the Greek do you see any created being receiving the manner of adulation given to the Mary of Catholicism, or even one word of praise to Mary in the life of the Nt church (Acts-Rev.)?

We are told,


295 posted on 04/16/2016 7:28:04 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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