A scriptural defense of the Perpetual virginity of Mary

Verga | 4/15/16 | Verga

[Elsie]

Mary reminded him of her vow of virginity.

Oh?

She planned ahead of time to CHEAT Joseph out of his husband's rights??

[Elsie]

Joseph's walking staff bloomed in their presence and she was betrothed to him.

I
Must
Resist!

[metmom]

Here is the rest of the challenge for the non-Catholics. Lets see if you can find an Early Church Father from the first 300 years or so that denied the Perpetual Virginity.

Who cares? Besides Catholics who are desperately grasping at straws to support their doctrine that Scripture DOESN'T support.

Error began creeping into the church at a very early point in time. Much of Paul's letters deal with error that crept in no sooner than he had left.

So appealing to the ecf's is meaningless because their proximity in time to Jesus' life doesn't guarantee accuracy of theology.

[Elsie]

Oh Unwedded Bride

A new one for the list...

The way it's written:

 

Galatians 4:4-5

But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, ⁵ to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.

 

The way Rome teaches it:

 

Galatians 4:4-5

But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a....

 

Co-Redemptrix, 
Ark of the Covenant,
Cause of Our Joy,

Cause of our Salvation ,
Comfort of the Afflicted,
Destroyer of Heresy,
Ever-virgin ,
Favoured Daughter of the Father,
Gate of Heaven,
God-bearer,
Health of the Sick,
Help of Christians,
Holy Mary,
Holy Mother of God,
Holy Virgin of Virgins,
House of Gold,
Joy of the Just,
Majesty,
Mirror of Justice,
Morning Star,
Most Holy,
Mother Admirable,
Mother Inviolate,
Mother Most Amiable,
Mother Most Chaste,
Mother Most Pure,
Mother of Christ,
Mother of Divine Grace,
Mother of God,
Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Mercy,
Mother of Orphans,
Mother of Our Creator,
Mother of Our Redeemer,
Mother of Sorrows,
Mother of the Church,
Mother of the Poor,
Mother of the Word,
Mother Thrice Admirable,
Mother Undefiled,
Mystical Rose,
Nova Eva (the New Eve),
Our Lady of Compassion,
Our Lady of Confidence,
Our Lady of Victory,
Our Lady, Star of the Sea,
Our Mother of Perpetual Help,
Queen Assumed Into Heaven,
Queen Conceived Without Original Sin,
Queen of All Saints,
Queen of Angels,
Queen of Apostles,
Queen of Confessors,
Queen of Families,
Queen of Heaven,
Queen of Martyrs,
Queen of Patriarchs,
Queen of Peace,
Queen of Prophets,
Queen of the Most Holy Rosary,
Queen of Virgins,
Ravisher of Hearts,
Refuge of Sinners,
Seat of Wisdom,
She Who Shows the Way,
Singular Vessel of Devotion,
Spiritual Vessel,
Spouse of the Holy Spirit,
Tabernacle of the Lord,
Temple of the Most Holy Trinity,
Throne of Wisdom,
Tower of David,
Tower of Ivory,
Treasure House of God's Graces,
Untier of Knots,
Vessel of Honor,
Virgin God-bearer,
Virgin Most Faithful,
Virgin Most Merciful,
Virgin Most Powerful,
Virgin Most Prudent,
Virgin Most Renowned,
Virgin Most Venerable          born under the law, ⁵ to HELP redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship; sooner or later; and not spend TOO much time in Purgatory.

 

[Elsie]

Please re-read what I wrote, Mary was in a “spiritual” relationship with the Holy s Spirit. It was addressed in the article.

So are three of his wives...

[kosciusko51]

... Untier of Knots, ...

Missed that one before.

[verga]

Moving the goal posts already??

Not at all, simply offering the non-Catholics another possible venue, since none of you have been able to show an error on my part.

[Elsie]

Your problem, not mine.

Since GOD can do anything; therefore Rome can SAY anything and it can NOT be challenged.

[Elsie]

Lets see if you can find an Early Church Father from the first 300 years or so that denied the Perpetual Virginity

Nope; before that you had ECF's leading churches in Asia.

Which ECF was responsible for the FALSE TEACHINGs going on in those CATHOLIC churches that John was instructed to write to by an angel?

[Elsie]

I’m on it!

[verga]

Who cares?

Only those people that are genuinely interested in the truth.

Catholics who are desperately grasping at straws to support their doctrine that Scripture DOESN'T support.

Like I suggested, you might actually try to read the article, before having a knee jerk reaction. Every single point the non-Catholics made has been refuted using the scriptures.

[Elsie]

Patron Saint of fishing reels...

[verga]

Non-sequitor

[ealgeone]

Dude, if you read the text you will see you made a ton of errors. Not the least was offering an incorrect rendering of Luke 1:34. Nothing in the passage says Mary is making a vow of virginity. Nothing.

Even the DR doesn't even say it.

If you think the Greek is saying this is a vow of virginity you're practicing more than eisegesis. You're practicing deceit.

[ealgeone]

I’ve seen Staples attempts at apologetics. Verga’s better than he is.

[ealgeone]

You might but there are others who read these threads who do not post.

I'm writing to them.

[ealgeone]

Art ol’boy, I’ve seen your apologetics. I feel for the people in your parish.

[Old Yeller]

So Matthew 1:25 doesn't really mean what it clearly says.

But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
Matthew 1:25

[ealgeone]

May I recommend you find a true bible believing church.

[Old Yeller]

On the other hand the Catholics have not gone down the path of inviting each and every pervert into the church, under a new doctrine discovered in the last 20 years about tolerance.

In the Catholic Church a lot of them come out of the seminary. They're called priests. Growing up as an altar boy, I knew of a few of them. Two died of AIDS, and one served time in prison for being a pedophile.