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Eradicating Poverty Is Not a Gospel Value – A Reflection on a Teaching by Cardinal Sarah
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 04-10-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 04/11/2016 7:49:06 AM PDT by Salvation

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1 posted on 04/11/2016 7:49:06 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 04/11/2016 7:50:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Sweet!


3 posted on 04/11/2016 8:01:02 AM PDT by Shark24 (.)
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To: Salvation

One of his best.


4 posted on 04/11/2016 8:04:49 AM PDT by verga (Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.)
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To: Salvation
The eradication of poverty is an oft-stated goal of the modern, liberal West.

The supply of aggregate wealth will always be less than the aggregate desire for wealth. To decrease poverty and increase wealth in the system as a whole requires increased economic progress, technological progress, capital accumulation, expanding division of labor, a rational political and economic system, more saving and investment and less consumption, private propery, and freedom.

5 posted on 04/11/2016 8:06:04 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Salvation

Right on.


6 posted on 04/11/2016 8:32:39 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Salvation

I sometimes observe that at no time under the Law did God ever tell a prophet, judge or king to institute a group of folks to go around with measuring rods and what not to make sure nobody in Israel reaped too far into the corners of their field/make sure nobody ever wend back to glean more/etc.

In Scripture it is clear that He wants His people to individually take care of those in need, but no where in actual Scripture is there a rigorous standard established by which that is measured.

IOW, He really does seem to want the people, on their own initiative and from their own means, to do this.

By contrast, given the attitudes of too many modern people about welfare from public funds, I often suspect that many today would be willing to honor old Ahab if only he’d taken Naboth’s inheritance for a vegetable garden to feed Samaria’s poor rather than his own belly.


7 posted on 04/11/2016 8:32:50 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Salvation

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8 posted on 04/11/2016 8:36:36 AM PDT by griswold3 (Just another unlicensed nonconformist in am dangerous Liberal world.)
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To: Salvation

“Recall what Christ told us: “The poor you will have always with you …” (Jn 12:8). Those who want to eradicate poverty make the Son of God a liar. …”

BINGO. No one can eradicate poverty much less war. It’s the balance of the universe. We cannot all be rich nor we can all be poor. We cant have all peace all the time and same with chaos/war. One must live with the other as a counterbalance. (probably why I detest these liberal hypocrites with a peace sign)


9 posted on 04/11/2016 8:50:18 AM PDT by max americana (fired every liberal in our company at every election cycle..and laughed at their faces (true story))
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To: Salvation

I know there is no way to say this without is seeming to sound like an attack. But it is a simple observation that the Church benefits from poverty. They love being the hope and comfort of desperate people. It is much tougher work to
minister to people who are comfortable in the temporal world.

The church announcing poverty was gone would be like Jesse Jackson saying that race was not a big issue.


10 posted on 04/11/2016 9:23:51 AM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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To: Salvation

While there are a few minor points he makes that are worthy, there is one glaring error. The message of not feeling a need to eradicate poverty, is coming from a minister of a fabulously wealthy church.


11 posted on 04/11/2016 9:26:10 AM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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To: Salvation
God hears the cry of the poor and Mother Mary taught us of a great reversal that is coming, when the mighty and powerful will be cast down and poor and lowly raised up (Lk 1:52).

The Msgr. needs to get his Greek books out.

In 1:52 the word poor is not in the Greek.

The word for humble is tapeinós (an adjective) – properly, low; (figuratively) inner lowliness describing the person who depends on the Lord rather than self. HELPS Word Studies http://biblehub.com/greek/5011.htm

What the Msgr. has done is eisegesis which is reading something into the text that is not there vs exegesis which is bringing out of the text what is there.

We won't even discuss the false title of Mother Mary.

12 posted on 04/11/2016 9:26:54 AM PDT by ealgeone (The)
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For liberals, eradicating poverty can mean eradicating poor people themselves— abortion, euthanasia.

For the Church, the challenge is to love and assist poor people using our own individual bodies and souls to assist their individual bodies and souls— not a faceless program or a mechanical vending machine dispensing food and supplies to a nameless horde.

I think that is how we help the poor as people but avoid the liberal focus on sterilely, modernly, eradicating a social problem.


13 posted on 04/11/2016 10:01:20 AM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: ealgeone

False tile of Mary. You are so clueless on Catholic theology, that it is embarrassing even to those who are non-Catholics.


14 posted on 04/11/2016 10:32:32 AM PDT by Steelfish
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So typical...you ignore the contextual error to focus on something else.

The title "mother mary" is found where in Scripture??

15 posted on 04/11/2016 10:46:01 AM PDT by ealgeone (The)
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To: ealgeone

Keep making a fool of yourself.

The Catholic Church existed BEFORE Scripture. Before, the books in the Bible were assembled in AD 382 by the Council of Rome they were laboriously examined, cross-checked against the sacred oral tradition, and determined to be the authentic WRITTEN Word of God. The sacred oral tradition, rituals, and liturgy, and veneration continued from the earliest of times. Indeed, carvings of Mary have seen been unearthed that date back to the third century.

This is what typically occurs when fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Never mind the towering intellectual tradition of the Church, we have third rate Protestant self-taught “scholars” throwing around snippets of Scripture as if this the end and be all of it.


16 posted on 04/11/2016 10:58:01 AM PDT by Steelfish
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The Catholic Church existed BEFORE Scripture.

Your statement makes zero sense. We've had Scripture a long time. The roman catholic church came into existence around the 4th century

The ekklesia, that is the body of believers in Christ, predates the roman catholic church.

Before, the books in the Bible were assembled in AD 382 by the Council of Rome they were laboriously examined, cross-checked against the sacred oral tradition, and determined to be the authentic WRITTEN Word of God. The sacred oral tradition, rituals, and liturgy, and veneration continued from the earliest of times.

Yet we see so little of this "sacred tradition, rituals and liturgy" you speak of in the actual NT.

And you really need to do some research on the formation of the OT and NT.

Indeed, carvings of Mary have seen been unearthed that date back to the third century.

All that proves is Mary was worshipped in the third century.

This is what typically occurs when fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Never mind the towering intellectual tradition of the Church, we have third rate Protestant self-taught “scholars” throwing around snippets of Scripture as if this the end and be all of it.

Ha! That's funny. The Msgr. can't even get the right translation of the text in question.

Perhaps if catholics learned the Greek instead of Latin there wouldn't be so many problems in catholicism.

17 posted on 04/11/2016 11:11:56 AM PDT by ealgeone (The)
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To: Salvation

Sarah for Pope!

Bergoglio was a run-of-the-mill lefty South American bishop, whose diocese was and is a disintegrating shambles, with no vocations, hideous liturgies, about 10% of “couples” actually married (but Communion given to all—no questions asked). Those who knew him, upon hearing of his election, wrote things like, “the horror!”

Not another Bergoglio!


18 posted on 04/11/2016 11:20:17 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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The roman catholic church came into existence around the 4th century

Upon what do you base that claim?

19 posted on 04/11/2016 11:31:41 AM PDT by Legatus (I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
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Not another Bergoglio!

Psalms 109:8

20 posted on 04/11/2016 12:40:16 PM PDT by verga (Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.)
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