Defiant Catholic Laity against "same-sex unions", despite little support from the Vatican

Rotate Caeli ^ | 1/30/16 | New Catholic

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The "Cirinna Bill" being debated in the Italian Parliament to allow "same-sex unions" in that central nation of Catholicism managed to bring Catholics from all over Italy to Rome this Saturday.

The image from the Circo Massimo is unmistakable: on this "Family Day", a huge multitude of Italian families (including many friends of this blog) gathered to protest the government's support of the counternatural bill.

Cardinal Bagnasco, the President of the Italian Bishops' Conference, despite the clear lack of support from Pope Francis, kept his support for the event. Some Cardinals, including Cardinal Sarah, showed their support. But the Pope himself kept his silence, resented by millions of Italian Catholics who simply cannot understand why a Pontiff who talks about everything chose not to explicitly support the event (earlier in the day, the first Jubilee general audience attracted a much smaller number of people to St. Peter's square). Here is our support to good Italian Catholics: go on, march on, even if the Vatican is not clear, God is, and He will reward your efforts!

P.S. An influential Italian Catholic leader present at the massive rally tells us the mood: "An ecstatic and defiant crowd at #familyday2016! However, never since the Rennissance have Italian Catholics despised a Pope more than Pope Francis. Those present here are the backbone of Italian Catholicism, and they cannot believe the Pope abandoned them to the secular lions in Parliament, abandoned the few faithful bishops and did not even say a single word at his Jubilee General Audience today. Yet, they are not angry at Francis, it's more a mix of deep disdain and a strong sentiment of Fremdscham, as the Germans say."

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Have you Dear Sir.I think your Master needs a new messenger.Your posts are off a little.

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Read your latest post tomorrow and you’ll realize why you have your headache.

[fatima]

:) They pay you too much to post.

[don-o]

Try laying off the wine until later in the evenings.

Shame on you. Mrs Don-o's arguments stand or fall on their merits. Besmirching her personally gets into my area of responsibility and competence. I await your public apology.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Pope hugs a transgender man." Oh dear, oh dearie dear. The horror.

If you can't hug a sinner, you can't hug anyone at all. Let's require popes to live on pillars, eh? Hands-off shepherds who can't touch a sheep.

To make it very plain, showing love and acceptance for a person is not the same as showing acceptance for their major malfunction, whether physical, mental or moral.

Love sinners. A commandment, I believe.

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You don’t bless homosexual couples without admonishing them to sin no more. At least I don’t.

I’m sorry you and Bergoglio feel different.

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How many homos did Christ hug?

Did Christ hug Satan on the mountain?

Did he hug Herod or Pilate?

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[5] And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off even the dust of your feet, for a testimony against them. Luke; Chapter 9.

Doesn't sound like hugging does it?

[Mrs. Don-o]

No...

There is certainly more in the Shepherd's or the Evangelist's repertoire of behavior, than hugging.

So your point is...?

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My point is that Francis has no problem not admonishing homosexual couples of their serious state of sin.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"How many homos did Christ hug?"

I don't know. However, if we accept the estimate you offered previously, that 2% of the population was homosexual in orientation, I'd say that of those people whom Jesus hugged, 2% were homosexual.

"Did Christ hug Satan on the mountain?"

Not at all. But Satan was not homosexual. He wasn't ANY-sexual. Plus, Satan was spirit, so he probably couldn't be hugged --- bodiless, you know ---- as well as, being damned and having already being plunged into his eternal destiny, it would have been pointless. There was no hope of repentance and salvation.

"Did he hug Herod or Pilate?"

I'm not aware of Jesus hugging any adult men or women under any circumstances (correct me if I'm missing something.) He did receive Judas' kiss though he was a betrayer; and He did turn away the "clinging" Mary Magdalen, though she was a believer.

In any case, I am not aware of His turning anyone away because of their sexual orientation, though 2% of the crowds who followed Him (again, going by your estimate) probably were. Maybe you can fill me in.

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You’re getting silly again with your math.

Have you ever thought that there’s a higher percentage of homosexual couples today than in Genesis? Especially, when we now have a pope who remains silent while nation, after nation, legalizes sodomite unions.

Do you think the percentage of mothers who murder their unborn children today is the same as in Genesis?

[Mrs. Don-o]

Sorry. I was just using your figure. I personally am not committed to the 2% figure as being somehow universal. Would you like to withdraw your 2% estimate and suggest a different one?

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Bergolio did not specifically address abortion, nor homo unions, during his addresses before both the U.S. Congress and the U.N.

He did, however, focus greatly on “global warming” and socialism.

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No, I won't withdraw it. I quoted a number that is current.

Do you think the percentage of annulments of marriage is the same today as in in 1950? Or that the chance of snow today will be the same in April?

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[37] But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.Matthew; Chapter 5.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Pope Francis meets with people quite frequently on a private basis, and in such cases the Papal Press Office (Fr. Lombardi) always says that there will be no further details because the meeting was confidential or pastoral.

The people coming out of a private or pastoral meeting may claim their relationship, predicated on sinful sexual relations, was declared OK by the pope; but they might be lying, too.

When a person's supposed gay identity has been a public issue, that person has sometimes been been publicly rejected.

Vatican says ‘no' to transsexual godparents amid Spain controversy (LINK)

Pope Francis 'refuses' gay French ambassador (LINK)

Pope's Shocking Hitler Youth Comparison (Pope blasts gender theory)(LINK)

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You're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Lombardi, another Jesuit, is constantly tasked, as hard it may be, in trying to “interpret” what Bergolio is “vomiting out his mouth”.

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Pope Francis meets with people quite frequently on a private basis, ...

That's funny. The petty Bergolio, at last notice, cancelled his private meeting with the good Cardinal Bagnasco.

Care to explain why Bergolio allows photos of him warmly greeting a homosexual couple, but not of his meeting with Kim Davis?

Here's what Lombardi had to say of Francis' meeting with Kim Davis:

The Pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects.

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The people coming out of a private or pastoral meeting may claim their relationship, predicated on sinful sexual relations, was declared OK by the pope; but they might be lying, too.

Are you serious? If these people are lying why doesn't the Vatican defend Bergolio and speak the truth?