Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer
Prove it. You made the bold statement, I now challenge you to prove it. If you can't, or won't, then the honorable thing would be for you need to the statement.
Seems you're confused... I mentioned Gutenberg and his press; nothing about a "Catholic" Bible. Is that a Straw Man I see! Tsk, tsk....
But here's something about Roman Catholic views on the use of the printing press:
Censorship
The Catholic Church quickly realized the potential of the printing press as a challenge to its influence. Censorship was introduced into the print shop in 1487, when Pope Innocent VIII required that Church authorities approve all books before publication. The Church had censored books for centuries, though it became much more difficult to do so after the invention of printing. Controlling a dozen painfully copied manuscripts of a forbidden text may have been a manageable task, but controlling the thousands of copies churning off the presses every year was quite another matter. One of these forbidden texts was the Bible printed in any other language than Latin.
Emphasis mine
http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/educator/modules/gutenberg/books/legacy/
And, by the way, the Roman Catholic Church IS people, not some mystical confabulation....granted, people who art believing an error, but people. As for Tyndale, Wycliffe, and Luther, they did indeed separate themselves... they separated themselves FROM the error of the Roman Catholic Church.
Happy New Year!
Hoss
Where does it say in scripture that we have to find everything in the Bible? .
Actually, if I "honor" Mary as Catholics do, I would be sinning by violating the First and Second Commandments:
'3 "You shall have no other gods before me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."'
How do you deal with Mary? Statues? Do Catholics genuflect or bow? How do you communicate? Prayer? If you pray to anyone but God, you're worshipping a false god.
She is no more my "mother" than you're the Man in the Moon. My mother passed many years ago and is worshipping God in Heaven (as is Mary)... but that's ALL Mary is doing.
How do you reconcile 1 Timothy 2:5 with CCC 969? Is God right or is the RCC right? The Bible says:
"5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,"
Yet, the RCC teaches (falsely) that Mary is a "mediatrix" and a source of grace. Is God a liar? It's either Him or the Catholic Church!
And she was chosen; all she did was recognize it. She needed the same grace and faith for salvation that we do: and that comes from God.
Happy New Year!
Hoss
Guilty, The Catholic Church is 100% guilty of trying to prevent the very errors that Wycliffe, Tyndale, and Luther introduced into the vernacular texts. Wycliffe tried to do a literal word for word translation and engage in harmonization at the same time. Tyndale had, by some accounts almost 2000 translation errors. Luther by his own admission added the word “alone” to Romans 3:28, and further his translation into German was not the first.
There were an estimated 414,000 priest in 2012. Betcha there are 414,000 different messages being delivered each varying in accuracy.
Using catholic logic there an estimated 414,000 different catholic denominations.
2 Timothy 2:2 and what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.
You are not allowed to just make stuff up and say something was taught by the apostles. There must be witnesses that a teaching is apostolic. The only apostolic teaching that is verified by witnesses is the Bible. Anything else is hear-say.
Please address why the rcc didn’t get the Word into the native languages. The burden is on the catholic to explain why they didn’t.
After reading both the article and the replies it’s clear to me at least, that some didn’t read it at all. It’s literally 95% about God (Jesus) and 5% about Mary. Even just by a simple word count of those 3 words. But some see the title “Mother of God” and react in basal fashion, like some wild animal acting on instinct when confronted with fire.
The article couldn’t be more insightful, informative, and last but not least, “all about God”, and “taking the focus off Mary”, as all Marian dogmas do really. But this isn’t good enough for some.
Nestorius would be proud.
The catholic love on display, eh there, Verga??
That catholic love goes back a long time!
2 Timothy 3:16
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness"
Acts 8:35
"Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus."
Doesn't seem to mention any tradition there....
So tell me where it says in Scripture that it's okay to add man's traditions to God's Word.
Happy New Year
Hoss
Catholics don’t “worship” Mary, she is honored as being the mother of Christ. You’re also told in the Bible to emmulate Christ in everything you do. He honored and obeyed his mother (Mary). But you don’t?
>>Jesus doesn’t seem to think God died...Jesus commended his spirit to God as he died...So God did not die...How do you explain that???<<<
Why does Jesus Call God Father? Unless, Jesus is the “Only Son of God” (Jn 3:16) If you believe that nothing is communicated between the two natures in the One Person Jesus Christ, such that God is not part of the sacrifice at the Cross, I tell you your faith is in vain.
Because therefore only an innocent man died, and the death of only one innocent man has not the efficacious quality to forgive all sins.
You’ve misshapen the word Mother into something it is not, in order to reject of Motherhood of Mary to the point that your own belief in Jesus is fuzzy. This is precisely why Christians (And we’re not even discussing Western Catholic Theology) accept the belief that Mary is the Mother of God. Because it is impossible to declare that God died on the cross for our sins and not say that God was born into the word in his incarnation.
“The Word became flesh.” Jn. 1:14. That is what that means. Jesus is “the mighty God” as foretold in Isaiah 9:6.
Indeed, guilty
Hoss
Mind-read much?
Happy New Year
Hoss
did He make a statue of Mary?
did He kneel before her?
did He pray to her?
did He light candles to her?
did He tell us to rely upon her for our salvation by going through her?
did He mention anything about wearing a scapular to avoid hell as the mary apparitions have done?
did He invoke her as Mediatrix, Advocate, Benefactress, Helper?
did He say none can come to Him unless they go through Mary?
did He ever tell us to pray to Mary?
Christians recognize the unique place of Mary in the Word.
Of all the Hebrew girls she was chosen to be the mother of Christ.
She is the mother of His brothers and sisters.
She was a sinner in need of salvation like the rest of humanity.
She is the wife of Joseph.
All generations will count her blessed for what she did.
Blessed Solemnity of Mary, the Holy Mother of God! And a Happy New Year, NYer!
And some have not gone far enough. “The Sons of Mary” are “the seed of the woman”, spoken of in Genesis and the Apocalypse. If you knew Scripture it would not be foreign to you.
The subject of this thread is Mary. If you would like to start a new thread with the subject of vulgate translations of the Bible you go right ahead, I won't even think about trying to stop you.
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