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RE: I was certain it was you who wrote “I see no reason why one should consider it being hostile to Jews to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to them.”

Yes it was me, what’s wrong with what I wrote?

RE: Thus are you left in communion with the original German author and architect of the Holocaust, and you do see no reason why one should consider it being hostile to Jews to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to them.

Oh I see, you are unable to distinguish between having fellowship with Christians TODAY BASED ON THE BELIEFS and the CREEDS THEY ADHERE TO and someone who did wrong things 600 years ago.

I guess with that line of reasoning, I have to say that you are left with the communion with Popes who were involved in adultery, fornication, rape and murder.

RE: and you do see no reason why one should consider it being hostile to Jews to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to them.

Explain to me what’s wrong with the above?

Jesus Christ Himself told his disciples to make disciples of ALL NATIONS ( don’t tell me Jews are not included here ).

And most of His first disciples who obeyed His commandments were JEWS.

Here is what St. Paul himself wrote:

“For I see no reason to be ashamed of the gospel; it is God’s power for the salvation of everyone who has faith — Jews first, but Greeks as well” ( Romans 1:16 - Catholic Bible ).

So, if St. Paul, who by the way, in his past life, instigated the crowd to stone Stephen to death, teaches Christians to do this, why should we not listen?

As for all the atrocities done by Protestants in the past ( and then by insinuation, implying that those who agree to a set of beliefs they share are in communion or in agreement with what they did ), if I were to follow your logic, I guess I would have to conclude that you agree with the following:

1205: Pope Innocent III wrote to the archbishops of Sens and Paris that “the Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord...As slaves rejected by God, in whose death they wickedly conspire, they shall by the effect of this very action, recognize themselves as the slaves of those whom Christ’s death set free...” i.e. they would be slaves of Christians.

1227: The Synod of Narbonne required Jews to wear an oval badge — reminiscent of the Star of David that the Nazis required Jews to wear.

1478: The Spanish Inquisition was organized by the Church in order to detect insincere conversions of Jews to Christianity. Many tortured into submission.

1516: Catholic Venice forced Jews to live only in one parish, called the “Ghetto Novo.”

1555: A Roman Catholic Papal bull, “Cum nimis absurdum,” required Jews in Vatican controlled lands to wear badges, and be confined to ghettos. Over 3,000 people were crammed into about 8 acres of land. The public health problems were horrendous.

1648-9: Massacres of Jews occurred in Nemirov, Polonnoye, Tulchin, Volhynia, Bar, Lvov, and other cities in Ukraine. About 100,000 Jews were murdered and 300 communities destroyed.

During these centuries, there were a few attempts by various popes to reduce the impact of the church’s policies against the Jews. They were largely ignored.

The above reasoning is of course, a FALLACY -— implying just because you share a set of beliefs of someone, means that you agree with everything else they do.

Hey, Adolf Hitler believes that the sun rises in the east, he believes that the sun sets in the west. I’m sure you do too... therefore, what follows from these common things you agree with?

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1. Yes it was me, what’s wrong with what I wrote?
   
   When you write "“I see no reason ... " it indicates to me you are oblivious to history and do not realize why Jewish victims should consider it hostility when others preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to them. Given what has happened, not only 600 years ago, but just two generations ago when at least one third of the Jews in the world were murdered in countries where people would "preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to them," a reasonable person should see a reason why targeting Jews could be considered hostile.
   
   
2. Oh I see, you are unable to distinguish between having fellowship with Christians TODAY BASED ON THE BELIEFS and the CREEDS THEY ADHERE TO and someone who did wrong things 600 years ago.
   
   I gave you an opportunity to transparently declare which general denomination/sect you regularly assemble with. Since you chose "ANY ONE OF THE ABOVE," and specified the "CREEDS THEY ADHERE TO",/i>, That, in my view, puts you squarely in the Sola Fide camp. Like Kristallnacht, Sola Fide may be traced to Martin Luther (although neither are justified by Sola Scriptura, but rather condemned). Luther spent his latter years, until his death, conspiring to persecute and murder Jews.
   
   
3. I guess with that line of reasoning, I have to say that you are left with the communion with Popes who were involved in adultery, fornication, rape and murder.
   
   Not at all; that would be ignorance on your part. Just as Judas fell, any Pope can fall. If any do not do the works of the Messiah, they are not his sheep. There is no Once Saved Always Saved.
   
   
4. Here is what St. Paul himself wrote:
   I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
   
   Romans, Catholic chapter nine, Protestant verses one to five,
   as authorized, but not authored, by King James
   
   If one wishes to be like Paul, wish to be accursed from the Messiah for the sake of the Jewish people, and be convincing.
   
   
5. The aforementioned Catholic documen (which I doubt many have even completely read) gives a thoughtful and compassionate treatment of the topic and the reasons why the Catholic Church no longer targets the Jews. Instead, Catholics are directed to be living witnesses of the Messiah.
   
   It is easy to understand that the so–called ‘mission to the Jews’ is a very delicate and sensitive matter for Jews because, in their eyes, it involves the very existence of the Jewish people. This question also proves to be awkward for Christians, because for them the universal salvific significance of Jesus Christ and consequently the universal mission of the Church are of fundamental importance. The Church is therefore obliged to view evangelisation to Jews, who believe in the one God, in a different manner from that to people of other religions and world views. In concrete terms this means that the Catholic Church neither conducts nor supports any specific institutional mission work directed towards Jews. While there is a principled rejection of an institutional Jewish mission, Christians are nonetheless called to bear witness to their faith in Jesus Christ also to Jews, although they should do so in a humble and sensitive manner, acknowledging that Jews are bearers of God’s Word, and particularly in view of the great tragedy of the Shoah.
   
   
6. There is always tension between salesmen and prospects. Someone who is genuine, someone who lays down his life for the Jewish brethren, is transparent and a living witness to what the Messiah has done in his life. Give me a dozen Catholic adulterers like Oskar Schindler instead of a thousand German preachers to show the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Luther's words were poison.