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To: avenir
Scripture would have us conclude that Jews are not saved and I am not sure the "General Revelation" applies. It is clear that an all knowing, all present and transcendent GOD with middle knowledge clearly knows what he is doing.

However, let me bring in another wrinkle- it is not only that Jews reject Jesus, but they clearly reject the resurrection of the body. Heaven is not a place we go to, it is a place to come with a new Heaven and a new Earth with our resurrected body.

12 posted on 12/14/2015 8:24:17 AM PST by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: 11th Commandment

First the earthly, then the spiritual.
The Jews were promised an earthly kingdom and the church a spiritual kingdom.


19 posted on 12/14/2015 9:25:08 AM PST by winodog
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So I guess the Messianic Jewish man (a Christian Jew-to define terms) who was killed in San Bernadino wasn’t really saved? He believed in Jesus, The Messiah so...


22 posted on 12/14/2015 10:15:18 AM PST by JSDude1
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To: 11th Commandment

“Scripture would have us conclude that Jews are not saved....”

“However, let me bring in another wrinkle- it is not only that Jews reject Jesus, but they clearly reject the resurrection of the body. “
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Jews do not reject the concept of resurrection - in fact, Christianity adopted the idea from Judaism.

What Judaism and believing Jews reject is the idea that Jesus was the Messiah according to the criteria set forth in the Bible: http://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/answers/jewish-polemics/the-jewish-messiah/messiah-the-criteria/

As for the “Jew are not saved” part, that is according to the Christian Bible, which is not something that Jews believe in (for reasons stated in the article cited above). According to the 5 Books of Moses and the Oral Law given by G-d to Moses on Mt. Sinai, each individual (Jewish or not, just so you know, because Judaism is NOT the exclusive means of attaining a place in the World to Come, i.e. Heaven) succeeds or fails in their quest to improve their soul via their acts here on Earth. You are not “saved” merely by belief - it requires acts that confirm that belief. For non-Jews, the path to such improvement is via abiding by the 7 Noahide laws. http://www.aish.com/w/nj/For_Non-Jews.html


29 posted on 12/14/2015 1:06:15 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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