The Return of Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him) - Kamal El-Mekki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNGhUVWtqAo ^ | 2013 | Kamal El Mekki

[redleghunter]

We have been through this quite a few times. “Allah” in the Qur’an does not have The Name YHWH. The use of The Name YHWH is what separates Jews and Christians from the other false religions who invoke the general “god” or “God” term.

And I am pretty sure our Arab Christian brethren know the above distinction.

There’s one sure fire way to resolve if we are talking past each other.

Is the God or ‘Allah’ revealed to Muhammad YHWH? Meaning did YHWH reveal Himself to Muhammad? I will take your emphatic ‘no’ in advance.

[af_vet_1981]

And I am pretty sure our Arab Christian brethren know the above distinction.

They know the word Allah is the Arabic word for God, "The God" of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. You do better advised to distinguish and limit your criticism to the religion of Islam, rather than the Arabic word Allah, used by Arabic speaking Christians and Moslems alike to refer to the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

[af_vet_1981]

And I am pretty sure our Arab Christian brethren know the above distinction.

They know the word Allah is the Arabic word for God, "The God" of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. You do better to distinguish and limit your criticism to the religion of Islam, rather than the Arabic word Allah, used by Arabic speaking Christians and Moslems alike to refer to the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

[af_vet_1981]

Is the God or ‘Allah’ revealed to Muhammad YHWH? Meaning did YHWH reveal Himself to Muhammad? I will take your emphatic ‘no’ in advance.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

First John, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verses seven to ten,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

Jews, Christians, and Moslems profess to worship and adore "The God" of Moses. Judge them by what they do. There is no tradition on how to pronounce the Tetragrammaton; it is clouded in mystery. There is clear tradition on how to pronounce Yeshua.

[redleghunter]

You really did not address my comments.

The “Allah” of the Qur’an is not YHWH (Jehovah). Therefore, the Muslim God (Allah) is not the Hebrew and Christian God Jehovah (YHWH).

If you are not convinced of this, then write down the revealed Divine attributes of YHWH in the OT and then compare the attributes of the Allah of Qur’an.

So yes the Allah of the Qur’an is a false god spawned by Satan.

[af_vet_1981]

Who do you say Allah of the Bible is ?

[redleghunter]

Who do you say Allah of the Bible is ?

If you have found "Allah" used in the Hebrew or Greek in Holy Scriptures please present your case for such.

[af_vet_1981]

If you have found "Allah" used in the Hebrew or Greek in Holy Scriptures please present your case for such.

Why do you read and write in English rather than Hebrew and Greek ?

[redleghunter]

I will assume you cannot find Allah in the Hebrew and Greek.

[af_vet_1981]

I will assume you cannot find Allah in the Hebrew and Greek.

I already posted a link informing you that the Arabic word for the English transliteration "Allah" literally means "The God" and is equivalent for the English transliteration from the Hebrew "El/Elohim" which is found extensively in the Hebrew Bible.

Do you believe in "God" or "Elohim?"

[redleghunter]

Elohiym:

The KJV translates Strongs H430 in the following manner: God (2,346x), god (244x), judge (5x), GOD (1x), goddess (2x), great (2x), mighty (2x), angels (1x), exceeding (1x), God-ward (with H4136) (1x), godly (1x).

(https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H430&t=KJV)

By the above and used within the proper context elohiym was used for false gods (small g) as well.

There is no relation to “Allah” from Elohiym. Just as one cannot get Deus from Allah. Only in the minds of Muslims and Muslim apolgists.

If what you state is accurate, you still cannot explain how Allah is YHWH. You can’t because YHWH is not Allah. From Genesis chapter 2 God is named YHWH Elohiym. There’s the distinction one can only see in the Hebrew or using an English translation which does not follow the tradition of not saying or writing The Name YHWH but as Hashem.

I won’t ask you the question, but ask you to seriously consider if one should claim Allah of the Qur’an is YHWH of the TaNaKh.

My answer is a resounding no.

Below is a good Hebrew parallel site. Even has the Latin Vulgate which sheds some light on the matter too.

http://www.hebrewoldtestament.com/index2.htm

[af_vet_1981]

I did not ask about the KJV. I asked if you believe in “God” or “Elohim?”

[redleghunter]

Go to the site and search in the English version of your choice. Both sites have the Latin Vulgate.

I believe in God and His Name given is YHWH and The Son of God in the flesh was given the name above all names, Jesus Christ (Yeshua Hamashiach).

Philippians 2:

9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.(NASB)

The Qur’an and Islam deny the Deity and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The Allah of Qur’an has no son. Allah is not YHWH, Allah is not The Father. The Allah of the Qur’an is a false god and a machination of Satan.

Lobby to change the wording of your catechism.

[Mark17]

Ping

[af_vet_1981]

I believe in God and His Name given is YHWH ...

1. I notice this construct of faith does not conform to the rule you levied on Arabic speaking Christians.
2. You believe in "God" although the word, just like the word "Allah" is not found in the Hebrew or Greek.
3. Do you know the etymology of the English word "God?" It is a common word for deity.
4. The English letters YHWH are also not found in the Hebrew or Greek (they are English, after all), and yet you use them.
5. Arabic and English are languages, not religions. The Arabic word for God is Allah (literally "The God"). It seems to me you must accept this truth or be branded with hypocrisy.

[redleghunter]

Allah of Qur’an is not YHWH.

Allah has no son.

Those who worship the Allah of Qur’an worship a false god.

[Syncro]

The semantic gymnastics on this thread are amazing.

Islam claims Allah as their god.

Like the word gay substituted for sodomic homosexuality to make it “acceptable” so “Allah” has been pushed as being God.

Allah is the god of Islam and Muslims.

He is NOT the God of the Bible.

Catholicism has declared that they worship the same God as the Muslims worship.

Therefore Catholics must accept this and argue with anyone who brings the truth to the situation.

It goes around and around, but it is Mobius reasoning.

Inside the ball will be many statements/beliefs that are constantly recycled without any verification from the Bible.

A short list is Mary is till a virgin and can bring salvation, Catholicism is 2015 yrs old, Jesus was a Catholic, everyone must be in subjection to the Pope, Catholicism is the body of Christ, all baptism is Catholic baptism, Allah is the God of the Bible, etc etc.

The important things are what Jesus taught as the Holy Spirit had written in the Bible.

Acts 16:31 starts a process that brings people into a born again personal relationship with God through Jesus which should be the goal of every human in the world.

[af_vet_1981]

Allah has no son.

Since Allah in Arabic means "The God" your comment indicates that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has no son. While Judaism and Islam agrees with that statement, Orthodox Christianity does not. Arabic and English are languages, not religions. There is nothing inherently different between the words "God" and "Allah." They are simply in different languages.

[redleghunter]

Since Allah in Arabic means "The God" your comment indicates that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has no son.

No my comments did not indicate such. Please stop attributing ideas or comments that are not mine.

How many times must I say "the Allah of Quran"?

[af_vet_1981]

No my comments did not indicate such. Please stop attributing ideas or comments that are not mine.

Odd, I read a comment from your user id " no son."

How many times must I say "the Allah of Quran"?

Every time you write "Allah" and intend to present Islamic theology

Both Christians and Moslems use the Arabic word "Allah" to refer to "The God" of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. All of my comments were directed to your unqualified use of the Arabic word. I am not an apologist for Islamic theology and did not raise objections to your qualified use of the term. It is not a sin to be born into a language other than Hebrew and Greek.