Posted on 11/08/2015 11:19:38 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Many of those people are reachable. They don't like the strictures of "churchy" religion, but many of them are spiritual people with a strong faith. And many will be back in a few years.
The question is how to reach that audience and keep them. Perhaps it would be good to find the younger people who do attend and ask them what drew them and what holds them.
--- then this "organized group" is evidently plotting the destruction of Catholic faith and morals. They are to be resisted.
Millennials may not want to be part of that, but it does seem that millennials have a strong taste for paganism, depravity, pageantry, self-righteous parading of “good works” while their hearts stay corrupt, ignorance and mysticism, in no particular order.
That group is the Vatican and leadership of all the major denominations allowing the crap we see today.
So there arent a lot of options for having ones cake and eating it too.
Ultimately God does not require their intercession to us, nor do we, them, to God. Thus they have no purpose other than to create a stumbling block. an encumbered. At best. At worst they are intentionally steering us to the wrong team. Which is what I maintain their actions define.
What I find most interesting is that many here consider this a bad thing........
Luk_12:51 Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other!
AMEN Mrs. Don-o....!!! Thank You....
I believe Jesus had it right at the beginning when he founded the Catholic Church on the Apostles, the first bishops.
People stop going to church because they figure that the so called Christians inside the building are no different in life style or values than the heathen world on the outside.
People inside the Church manifest the same attitudes as the unsaved world, that is a problem.
Be not conformed to this world but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind by the word of God.
Mark 9:38-41. He knew how we would be.
NONSENSE!!
If Luther had courage he would have gone to his superior and worked internally for solutions.
He took the prideful (I’m right) way.)
Trouble was and still is that he was wrong.
Odd article. The author starts out admonishing Christians for being at war with one another, then cites statistics about church attendance dropping, then goes on to criticize those who misunderstand the message of the Gosel, and finally returns to the premise about not being at war. The body of the article doesn’t support the title. I’d like to see the author’s opinion of what being at war entitles other than not criticizing others by name in public.
It might make a good English lesson, though, now that I think of it.
With all respect, Martin Luther was the best thing that ever happened to The Catholic Church.
The trouble with the term is its ambiguity. It could mean the Vatican City-State, or the Roman Curia, or anybody in a red hat living within the little walled swuare. Mueller over at CDF is "Vatican." Sarah over at Liturgy is "Vatican." So is financial chief Cardinal Pell, and they're as orthodox as you can get.
In addition, the interfaith conference on the "Complementarity of Man and Woman" of November 2014, and the International Conference of family and life movements (sponsored by the Pontifical Council for the Family) were expressions of "The Vatican."
When "The Vatican" is used as a metonym for the Catholic Church, in terms of doctrines, you have to read the Catechism (not La Civilta Cattolica ) to see what the authentic Vatican doctrines are.
Despite the fact that Pope Francis had that neuralgic, bafflegabbing 2015 Synod structured by his doctrinally allergic periti and packed with his Modernist geriatric cronies, even that last dad-blasted Realtio soundly rejected the pro-practicing-homosexual and adulterous remarriage agendas.
Don't be fooled by the fact that Marx, Forte, Baldisseri and their lot run right over to the microphones and tell their media allies (heads up, Philip Pullella!) that their position has been affirmed, they're flushed with triumph, whatever. It's what Alinskyites do: declare victory and act accordingly, no matter what the facts are on the ground.
So watch what you say about "The Vatican." It's still -- like the Church --- Catholic.
And the Church is still Christ's--- because he said He would not abandon His Bride --- in the Holy Spirit and to the glory of God the Father.
To be specific, the communist pope and the leftist he has surrounded himself with. But his analoges in the Lutherans, Presbs, Baptists and others are really no different.
They stand with evil. They refuse to openly condem what the bible tells them to. They refuse to excomm people like Pelosi who flaunt abortion directly in their faces.
How can we bleieve in the words of the Bible and at the same time pretend and make excuses for the purely unbiblical and political positions of the church leadership?
There is nothing in scripture toat allows for ignoring Gods word for mans politically or otherwide. This is binary. We are to either be of God or of the world.
Sure we are human and we fail all the time. But there is a world of difference between failing because whoops, I screwed up and failing because I knowingly and intentionally saw two clear paths and decided to follow the one God told me and everyone else, including the Pope and Cardinal/Bishops/Priests (and their other counterparts) was the one to hell. Or at minimum, the wrong path.
This or any other pope is Gods rep on earth. Likewise in descending order, are the cards, bishops and priests. When each of those people are saying that 2000 years of doctrine is now changing, thats their idea. not Gods. When I got schooled by the Nuns, God wasn’t big on changing his mind often. And certainly not because the times were different. Yet that is exactly what the church leadership would now have us believe. The eternal word of God has changed because PEOPLE changed.
There is ZERO about that which has any basis in doctrine or theology. So it is coming from man. Not God. They call evil good and we have a specific warning about people doing ecactly that. It does not grant an indulgence to the church leaders. In fact we are warned about them too.
They among all men have the greatest moral responsibility of all. And they have used it to promote more acceptance of gays counter to the Bible, belief in paganism via environmental concerns and Ball worship via their refusal to stand and defend against the evil of abortion by Catholics/non catholics forcing it on humanity via government.
They are unworthy of us as followers and they are unworthy to represent or instruct on the word of God because as the facts show, they do not believe in it enough to act on it themselves. When we align with such people, we align with the evil they actively partake in. That path is easy.
“Broad” actually. Not narrow.
They are a parenthesis in history. They will pass. They are passing even as we speak.
There is nothing in Catholic Doctrine that OK's sexual vice or sequential marriages while the original lawful wedded spouse is still living. And never will be.
The holiness of the Church does not depend on sinlessness on the part of her individual members. If it did, the Church would have been stillborn that night when one Apostle betrayed the Lord for money, one denied Him three times, and the rest abandoned Him and headed for the tall grass.
Where was the Church? John. Mary. At the foot of the Cross.
But they do equal the Vatican. They control it. they control the faith.
They will pass into what? Morlike them because now that they are in full controll of the process, there are no JP2s on the horizon. We see what they did to Benedict.
America is Obama. It has been for 7 years. Because regardless of what you and I say, He has the money, authority and power. So You and I do not get a vote even when we actually do vote. He does what he does.
The Vatican now rules likewise and is top down with other leftists. Remember, he did not appear. He was elected by the Cardinals that KNEW KIM. They emplaced the man THEY wanted. And if lightning struck him down, they are not going to call the Panzer Pope from the service bay. they are going to select another leftist. And when a Card dies, they will promote a leftist Bishop.
This is exactly the same as GOP politics or Dem politics in that they promote their own. We have Ryan as speaker for the EXACT reason we have Frank as pope. People just like him wanted him where he is.
That is the Church. they ARE the church because they make the rules. The rules are evil.
LOL
Pope Francis has changed nothing.
Whatever he intended from this low point in his pontificate, the Synod of 2015, it ended up upholding Catholicism and not caving on a single point.
As a new-addict I know I am tempted to mistake the Media Narrative for reality but it is not so. Christus Vincit, Christus Regnat, Christus Imperat.
It is the same Church. It's had a hefty share of popes who were dumb, naive, incompetent, frail, vacillating, or occasionally evil, but the Church has always survived by the grace of God and the skin of our teeth. Read a bit of history. After the shock passes it tends to steady one.
I heard this anecdote just the other day. After spending the better part of 15 years locked in constant conflict with Pope Pius VII (which included putting the pope in prison), Napoleon Bonaparte told Pius’ adept Secretary of State, Cardinal Consalvi, that he would “crush†the Roman Catholic Church.
( The cardinal sighed and shook his head over the emperor’s naivete) and answered. "If in 1,800 years we clergy have failed to destroy the Church, do you really think that you'll be able to do it?"
Sorry, Sarg, but there is, in general, no more useless, poorly informed group of alleged leaders than evangelical pastors. The mainline pastors, of course, are explicitly on the other side. Of course, I know a few pastors in various denominations (or no denomination), who are smart and tough. Unfortunately, they are few and far between
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