Posted on 11/06/2015 11:42:49 AM PST by NYer
The rest of my statement stands.
You will not go wrong studying the Word, the Greek and the early first century.
You seem to have a problem with that. Perhaps, like the Mormons, the Word is insufficient for you.
great news, and now I hope tom cruise returns to Catholicism.
Excellent analogy!
Christ instituted the first Church, the Catholic Church, on the apostles, the first Bishops.
Remember, one, holy, Catholic and APOSTOLIC.
Tom Cruise Odd Scientology Bromance
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/09/tom-cruise-s-odd-scientology-bromance.html
Through his close dealings and time spent with Miscavige, DeVocht claims, he was able to witness Miscavige and Cruise’s relationship unfold firsthand.
They’re two peas in a pod, DeVocht says of Cruise and Miscavige. They’re very similar characters, both rather absorbed by themselves, and intensely so. You don’t want to look at them wrong, say anything wrong, and you definitely don’t want to better them in any way. You had to be very careful around them. I got the impression that Miscavige really liked Cruise, and he would constantly say that they’re good friends.
Yet Paul had his own call from Christ. Do catholics deny He can still call men to spread His word?
Sometimes that happens when you cut and paste things. It’s annoying and seems to be happening more often. None of us intend to have it show up when it does.
They are both extremely short for such “on-stage” types.
“Except the claim by Pope Leo XIII that no one can come to Christ except through Mary.”
The one doesn’t negate the other since Mary just leads to Jesus as she is supposed to.
“Except what St Louis Marie de Montfort said, To reach the Eternal Father, we must go to Jesus, our Mediator of Redemption . . . To go to Jesus, we must go to Mary: she is our Mediatrix of Intercession.”
Again, one doesn’t negate the other since Mary just leads to Jesus as she is supposed to.
“Except when....The way of salvation is open to no one except through Mary. St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori”
The one doesn’t negate the other since Mary just leads to Jesus as she is supposed to.
“Except when indulgences are brought up.”
Nope. Indulgences are gifts of grace.
“Except when penance is brought up.”
Nope. An unrepentant man can’t be saved (Acts 11:18; 20:21; First public word of Jesus in Matthew? Repent: Matthew 4:17). John the Baptist began his ministry the same way (Matthew 3:2). Jesus said that without repentance, they would perish (Luke 13:3).
“Except when the rcc teaches one can lose salvation in contradiction to Ephesians and Corinthians as previously noted unless penance and indulgences have been properly executed.”
Anyone can lose their salvation. To believe that is simply to believe what scripture teaches. Even many Protestants get this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCfDHrwSA0g
I saw Leah on 20/20 and her experience with those evil freaks in the Scientology cult left me wondering why the FBI & DOJ don’t go after Scientology with at least the same zeal that they pursue the Tea Party.
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The Scientologists are all lawyered up at all times.
Salvation, I respect your religion. Please respect mine, which is also apostolic. No one can be born a saved Christian. You must be born again. It happens to those who are called in every generation. If they are lucky, they find a “small c” church. Being born to a Catholic or a Protestant doesn’t make one a saved Christian.
The descent of the apostolic faith has come through the Word, the Holy Spirit and the blood of Christ to the Church of believers, not through the dynastic lineage of humans, even the Apostles.
Doesn’t Scientology have strange secret rituals?
You completely missed the point: I gave the basic recipe of what must be present for it to be bread: flour, yeast, a little sugar and water. The rest -- the fancy robes, the gold, the stained glass, the traditions, anything outside of scripture itself -- is just window dressing. Sesame and poppy seeds on top of the basic recipe.
The bread thing? A parable. Do you folks recognize Who told parables to make a point? As for your "my church (race, dad, sportscar) is the best and only," thing, I'll let Saint Peter sort you out.
Since the original meaning of the word "Scripture" simply means "Writings", I would not hang my hat on that. Stupid facts always get in the way of prot rants.
The rest of my statement stands.
On sinking sands.
Matthew 7:26-27 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.â€
Scripture confuses catholic again.
Funny, I've known quite a few Baptists who said that a good Baptist didn't drink alcohol, didn't dance, didn't smoke, didn't use bad language (and I'm not talking about violating the commandment -- the particular person I'm talking about considered "darn" to be a curse word), never missed Wednesday Bible study, etc.
Why are those rules -- most of which are completely man-made -- not "works-righteousness" when Baptists do them, but a different set of rules are "works-righteousness" when Catholics do them?
You guys have two sets of criteria. One set is the criteria for Catholics -- everything the Catholics do is wrong, period -- and the other set is the one you apply to yourselves. The technical term for that is "hypocrisy".
You have to die in the state of grace to even get to purgatory.
Thankfully God has given us His Word so we can read it for ourselves.
I encourage anyone who wants to understand how to be saved to read the Gospel of John....especially chapters 3, 6 and 10.
Jesus offers the gift of salvation to all who will believe and follow Him.
Why are those rules -- most of which are completely man-made -- not "works-righteousness" when Baptists do them, but a different set of rules are "works-righteousness" when Catholics do them?
Some of those are man-made rules while some edify the body.
Example: if someone said they have to attend a Wednesday night service...that is a man-made rule.
The prohibition on dancing is one as well. In my earlier years we used to have square dances at the church I attended. Some thought it was wrong for us to do so. Our singles minister asked if they would rather us hang out in bars. We won't even talking about grinding and such type dances.
I would hope that no Christian, or anyone for that matter, smokes due to the harmful impact on your body which is supposed to be the temple of God.
I personally do not drink alcohol due to the possible addictiveness of the stuff. The Bible does speak out against being drunk and I've known Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, etc who get pretty drunk. I personally think you're better off without it but that's my opinion.
Paul does admonish us against the use of bad language, cursing and such. Our speech is supposed to be edifying.
An example of a man-made rule is CCC 2181 which notes if catholics miss participating in the Eucharist on days of obligation they have committed a mortal sin. And from what I'm reading there are some exceptions to even these.
If I'm understanding this catholics are only required to be at mass six times in 2015?
Would not a believer in Christ want to be with fellow believers in worship of God more than just six times a year?
Sadly every denomination has man-made rules.
“Catholicism contradicts the word again.”
No, but you do.
“I tell ya, if I were roman catholic I’d be so afraid I’ve done something wrong or haven’t done enough of something to lose or gain Heaven. I’d never let the priest out of my sight.”
Well, I am Catholic, and I know many, many Catholics, and I have yet to encounter anyone like that at all. The issue then is obviously not Catholicism. Gee, what could it be?
“Thankfully God has given us His Word so we can read it for ourselves.”
So you read Hebrew and Greek?
“I encourage anyone who wants to understand how to be saved to read the Gospel of John....especially chapters 3, 6 and 10.”
Yes, John chapter 3 - where Jesus was leading the Apostles as they baptized people. http://www.catholic.com/tracts/born-again-in-baptism
“Jesus offers the gift of salvation to all who will believe and follow Him.”
Believing and following - gee, you mean we have to DO something? I thought you said no works were involved? Looks like you believe in works righteousness.
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