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To: Kandy Atz
The “angel” or messenger is the Shaliach Tzibbur, of the Synagogue, or Jewish prayer leader. This title was understood by Jewish readers, but quite foreign to Gentile ears. And it has nothing to do with the Body of Christ.

Are you trying to claim the seven churches in the book of Revelation were synagogues and not churches ? I find it odd that your purported AMP translation does not match the AMP translation at bible gateway. Can you explain the discrepancy ?

519 posted on 11/12/2015 9:36:19 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Of all the things to question regarding my post... Yes, it was diabolic plan to see if you actually read the Bible. I should have followed your example, and posted verses in such a way to make it difficult for others to read them, or check the accuracy of what was posted, say like in an odd format, awkward color, or in an illegible font size. Dagnabbit, you caught me.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+2&version=AMPC

2 To the angel (messenger) of the assembly (church) in Ephesus write: These are the words of Him Who holds the seven stars [which are the messengers of the seven churches] in His right hand, Who goes about among the seven golden lampstands [which are the seven churches]:

2 I know your industry and activities, laborious toil and trouble, and your patient endurance, and how you cannot tolerate wicked [men] and have tested and critically appraised those who call [themselves] apostles (special messengers of Christ) and yet are not, and have found them to be impostors and liars.

3 I know you are enduring patiently and are bearing up for My name’s sake, and you have not fainted or become exhausted or grown weary.

4 But I have this [one charge to make] against you: that you have left (abandoned) the love that you had at first [you have deserted Me, your first love].

5 Remember then from what heights you have fallen. Repent (change the inner man to meet God’s will) and do the works you did previously [when first you knew the Lord], or else I will visit you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you change your mind and repent.

6 Yet you have this [in your favor and to your credit]: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans [what they are doing as corrupters of the people], which I Myself also detest.

7 He who is able to hear, let him listen to and give heed to what the Spirit says to the assemblies (churches). To him who overcomes (is victorious), I will grant to eat [of the fruit] of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

That is straight from Gateway which apparently has two AMP versions. I assume I have the older version on my laptop. Does not change a thing in my post either way. Scope of Revelation, context, and word use provides compelling evidence to the point.

I am not trying to claim anything. I am letting the Word of God speak. Do you have ears to hear? The Word declares that John was called to minister to the Jews (or circumcision - see Galatians 2:9 - James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised.) This being so, who is John likely addressing in Revelation when he is discussing the Day of the Lord, establishment of the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, and the 2nd Advent, all prophetic events most directly concerning Israel? Add to that the other evidence I presented and the case is quite solid. Was John being instructed to write a letter to an ANGEL (a divine messenger), or a messenger (Shaliach Tzibbur, of the Synagogue)? Why would John need to write to an ANGELIC Being as your new AMP version suggests?

They are not churches, but assemblies (ekklésia). The letters talk about works, which as shown in my earlier post, contradicts Paul’s letter to the Ephesians. SO, either this is addressed to another body, or another dispensation, or both. You decide. Or as Paul writes...

1 Corinthians 2:12-13 (KJV)
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

God’s Word is Truth. It is there to be revealed.

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Or as the older AMP puts it...

2 Timothy 2:15 (AMP)
15 Study and be eager and do your utmost to present yourself to God approved (tested by trial), a workman who has no cause to be ashamed, correctly analyzing and accurately dividing [rightly handling and skillfully teaching] the Word of Truth.


521 posted on 11/12/2015 11:06:58 PM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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